Okay point taken but spraying them with dye may be useful

Watercannons are only properly effective against large fixed crowds.

these are fast paced mobs 🙁 a lot harder to contain.

Okay point taken but spraying them with dye may be useful from backpack sprayer units as then they can be arrested after they have left the scene of the rioting and identified by everyone.

They used rapidly erected heavy chain link high fencing that can be interlinked, for the G8 protests at Gleneagles and use it all the time at Edinburgh city events for managing crowds. Watching them put them up – it is done in a very short space of time as the fence panels sit in huge heavy blocks on the pavement or street and the fencing panels are daisy chain linked.
Eyesore but functional.

While the threat is present it would still be relatively cheaper to have these erected each evening to obstruct access to urban city shopping precincts where no 24 hr residential access was necessary. Early in the morning they could be taken down. These measures are necessary purely while the threat of rioting and looting exists.

Then a few police could discretely patrol the fencing for any attempts to breach these barricades and summon support if required.

Agreed they cannot protect streets or precincts where there are residential properties above or beside shops.

No hose pipes to the fore in local neighbourhoods with special cannisters to atomise

Hose pipe ban:rolleyes:

No, no hose pipes to the fore in local neighbourhoods with special in line cannisters to atomise the much needed dye via hose pipe.;)
Dampening the spirits of the exuberant rioters may result in them claiming they got wet – tough – they deserve worse.:mad:

I stand corrected by your knowledgeable self

Methinks thou art confused.

Aren’t baton rounds and rubber bullets one and the same thing? Baton Round being the correct terminology for a rubber bullet?

Regards,

kev35

Hi kev35

I stand corrected by your highly knowledgeable self.

I always interpreted the word baton as the same thing as a truncheon. My bad.

Apologies – but my point IMO Water Canon the ideal solution, can even be used in modified portable form on back packs (insecticide or flame thrower like) with much less force but still could to spray the attackers and looters with the indellible dye.

Order of defence sounds like it might be …

Baton rounds
Water cannon (available within 24 hrs ???)
Rubber bullets

My order would be –

Water cannon (minimum human injury savings of NHS A&E time, dampens spirits and exuberance of rioters, and is relatively cheaper to clean up than insurance replacement of burnt out buildings and cars)
Baton rounds (Injuries are sustained on both sides – rioters and police)
Rubber bullets (Compensation claims will be high even if only some seriously injured)

I have no idea why the Police chiefs are dithering as they need to get this under control now not in the next decade. David cameron isn’t but maybe his on the shaky fence Lib Dem coalitions chums are sozzled in their offices as per usual.:)

At any age plane spotting is great fun

At any age plane spotting is great fun:)
Enjoy

Jim young kabirT may be onto something re Libya

Kabir, Only because T. Blair, made swathing cuts on the issue of shotguns and firearms.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Jim young kabirT may be onto something re Libya.:)

Aha it’s an insane Gadaffi conspiracy theory – “young people in the UK, please riot, loot it saves us planning terrorist attacks against UK and please, please send us all the goodies you loot and in return you can join us in our struggle for world supremacy and peace and live here with us in this fantastic country Libya”:D

There could be two sides to this coin

I’ve met someone fresh out of Uni who didn’t know which way a drill bit was supposed to turn. He never thought to ask someone why he was wasting so many drill bits – not the cheaper HSS, the more expensive cobalt kind.

Anyway, back to the topic…

Hi Threespool,

On topic as it’s relevant to why and how youth may feel the way they feel about organised society.

Two sides to this coin.

He isn’t happy in the job he’s got. It’s possible psychological revenge against his team (if he has been allocated to one), poor mentoring, poor training, out of date training and documentation.

In my experience of absorbing young graduates into busy industry teams was that it often took 3 years (costed in to training budget of new graduates) to either see them leave/shed or pick up speed and be a positive contributor to the team and industry.

The graduates are quite often bright but have misguided impressions of the work they wish to be engaged in. Many who graduated recently with me (suffered them for 4+ years) could hardly be sensible employees (never attended lectures regularly, if they were there, were talking or on their mobiles, were hungover as they’d been clubbing all night, how they passed their coursework or dissertation beats me (must have been done on a paid basis for them or copied from a colleague), they certainly could not put a sensible English email together, presentation skills [0] and their conversations were of mobile texting variety ie English hieroglyphics).

These kids are under the impression they will walk straight in to being supervisors and managers (this second word is red rag to a bull with me) and have no wish to get their hands dirty or learn the ‘guts’ of the job or industry. e.g Nursing degrees who teach their undergraduates that they will be managers in 2 years – God knows who they will be managing (patients – I think wrong word as it should be caring for patients) as they are neither confidential, professional or capable of basic hygiene. The only ones they may think they are managing are overseas staff supposedly on adaptation training in the UK (low pay, no skills of UK standards and can hardly cope with English, and are high turnaround). Who suffers – patients as recently graduated managerial nurse is always at meetings head stuck in a PC screen and patients get in the way of all this skiving I guess

They may be marking time in the job until another comes along.

You cannot discipline them as it is now PC incorrect.

On the other hand maybe the person you speak of lacks a good conscientious mentor who will nurture them into positive work ethics but also will not thwart their personal aspirations. Establish even handwritten amendments to training documentation and most of all identify if there are ways of restricting the switch on the drill (e.g. industrial tape or cable tie) to operate only clockwise.

It must also be recognized that not everyone is handy with power tools or precision work and that does not make them bad people to be discarded without assessment. They could end up a rioter/looter.

If you can contribute to this young person’s life and advise them positively it would be great.:D

Please see my post 108 on this thread and go to URLs

Hello,

Just read that the first person to appear at highbury court this morning pleading guilty to taking part in the looting of a music store in Croydon, was a 31 year old female TEACHER !!

Getting quite despondent about all this.

633

Please see my post 108 on this thread and go to URLs in it.
Fairer, weaker sex my foot – I’ve lived for too long in Edinburgh with this women’s lib la de da story with it’s origins in Edinburgh.:mad:

Many of these lunatic females are left wing anarchists and are far from being the fairer and or weaker sex – in their minds they are righting two wrongs – the power of the male in positions of authority and decision making (on e.g. consumables):mad: