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Have you looked in the aircrafts AP? There are often drawings of the wheel assemblies including the brakes. Your brake shoes look like Dunlop designs to me – the other option is to contact them – they have a very large archive but charge or at least did when I last spoke with them about 8 years ago!
Did some of those parts come from the old GH Flowers yard at Chippenham? I recognise some of them. Got some pics somewhere of the piles of u/c legs – that was a sight.
Jesus – who cares? It doesn’t really matter. Haven’t you lot got anything better to do?
Hi Cees – I’ll try and go this weekend for you. Can you let me know very carefully what you need so I don’t dissapoint? Cheers
Looks like an aircraft part to me – those rivets look like de Beurgue fasteners used on the Whitley fuel tanks (and other aircraft). Are they stainless steel? Your best bet is to clean it up and have a look for a part number…
Many aircraft came down in the sea off Montrose including a few Whitleys.
Well done Cees – But what a time to break your camera! itching to see how it looks now. Keep up the good work
I’ve heard of the He III being called ‘fat albert’ but I don’t think this was from the RLM, rather the aircrew.
Hi Brian
doesn’t look familiar and the number is not in the correct range. Colour looks US as well, so as Ian suggests most likely American
Cheers
The Whitley was the only RAF aircraft at the outbreak of WWII that was designed as a night bomber, and it had a front turret. As pointed out, the front turret could be used to douse enemy searchlights and I know at least one Whitley pilot who used his front gun to strafe German road convoys at night on two occasions in 1939/40.
They were also used to strafe submarines in the U-boat war, whilst preparing to depth charge, and more than one would have been used to fend off Ju88s over the Bay of Biscay. The Vickers ‘K’ gun would not have been very effective, however, it was better than nothing!
The heavy bomber fleet was designed to meet Air Ministry criteria that before the War posited that the “bomber would always get through” so what it needed was defensive armament for daylight operations. As the early bomber crews in Whitleys, Wellingtons soon discovered was that they simply did not have the defensive capability required to fend off day fighters, hence the switch to night bombing. That rendered the front turret practically useless, except for some flak and searchlight supressant. The Lancaster was based on the Manchester and that was designed to have a ventral turret, in a similar position to where the H2S dome was fitted.
It might have been a better modification to have changed the nose configuration to have a ventral chin turret to fire below and behind to counter the schrage musik attack position. That would have kept the CoG similar and have saved many more crews.
Trying to hit a target when you are squinting into a 300 mph headwind with rain or snow in pitch darkness and at a closing speed of over 500 mph would have been luck rather than skill.
To sit in front of a freezing 300 mph gale for up to 10 hours? Heroes all, the size of cojones required would have restored the CoG!!
Oh, the irony! 🙂
There is a rule of course which says that you can wait for years for a real part to come along to no avail, but the second you spend a lot of time/effort/money replicating it then one will appear as if by magic!!!
I think we’ve all been there!:D
It’s happened to me too. I always console myself in the knowledge that at least I now have an original to use.
Hi Ian
It does look a bit like a bit of Whitley fuselage – i’d have to look at it close up to say for sure. The stringer and frame remains would help say for sure. The yellowish interior colour counts against it though – never seen that before. Overall, i’d say possible…
Thanks for posting it!
Fasteners for a seat cushion? Alternatively are they plates of some sort? Are they holding armour plate sections together? Never seen anything like it before I’m afraid.
Thanks Richard. The largest fuselage section is owned by the RAFM – it’s about 15″ long. We have a lot of fuselage parts, but no large sections. We were given a section some years ago but a third party became involved, some misleading statements made and I suddenly found it had gone walkies. Pity.
We do have a lot of longeron sections and fuselage frame remnants. There are 3 original fuselage frames which we would hope to be able to incorporate into the finished article, along with the chunks of sidewall and floor that we have collected. Quite a lot really, but it will need carefull reconstruction.
Cheers
Why doesn’t he interview the folks at Westland and ask about the buried Whirlie? Make an interesting story perhaps…
Well done Cees – I take my hat off to you if the weather was even half as bad as it was here today – wet, cold and very windy.
Be great to see some pics of the accumulator if you can supply some at some point.
Here’s the latest pic of the front turret – it was taken on my phone today so not great quality, but shows that it is now fairly complete.
Follow up on the N1521 investigation.
Today we spent a windy and very wet day at the lake. Over the years it has become even more shallow than it was and it’s now about a meter in depth. The divers we used didn’t need any oxygen bottles. The lake had been deepened a few years ago and a survey had been carried out which showed that there are still concentrations of metal scattered around. Today was unfortunatly difficult due to the weather ( I was wet and cold to the bone, and the hot shower worked wonders). But we found an oxygen bottle as well as an accumulator with .. 10-40 (oktober 1940) painted on it. We hope to get back again when the conditions are better or when the lake is frozen hopefully. The nose gunner is still missing and his name can be found at the Runnymede Memorial, So watch this space.
Cees