The concept seems very interesting, however I guess this solution had been implemented since 1958 when the Soviet Union began the development of SAM ( Surface Air Missile) SA 6 Gainful.
The SA 6 Gainful(2K12 Kub)
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2K12-Kvadrat.htmlThose 3M9M missiles from the SA 6 Gainful also has been employed a ramjet rocket with solid fuel with the same purpose due for its advantages that has been mentioned in this article, however the ramjet propulsion were rejected by the successor from SA 6 Gainful that were the SA 11 Gadfly as the SA 17 Grizzly for several reasons.
This does not mean that someone could not improve such old technology, however the content of this article in this post above mention that ramjet propulsion with solid fuel has been developed as an innovation, and this actually would not be the case.
SAM are often much much bigger than AAM thus easier to use Ramjet , i think , up until now the only ramjet AAM is Meteor
where did you get this from ?
i think that probably due to the fact the long range missile often have big wing = more lift but also more drag , also long range missiles tend to use engine or sustain motor rather than a fast burn motor thus acceleration is lower
My only intention here was to convey that intercept performance and g-limits weren’t entirely dependent on wing-size but also on velocity. I guess the point you’ve also introduced in response to obligatory’s original remark is that not all long range missiles have high wing loading either, which seems a fair point if your analysis is correct
i dont get it if the longer range missiles are not less maneuver than short , medium range missiles then what exactly the point of making medium range missiles ?
Accepted but the missile speeds at 24,000m will be higher than at 18,000m for a given intercept, and significantly higher than at 10,000m because of the reduced air density.
and they can retain their speed much longer after launch too
I think the main difference is that jdradm plan to use normal rocket engine while T-3 plan to use Ramjet engine
( based on their pictures)
no, at service sealing its barely controlled flight
b-70 likely fly in a straight line at mach 3 and 70k feet so that will be enough
Most SAMs run out of fuel long before reaching their highest altitude. Think of a bullet. How much fuel does it have on board?
i think ceiling of SAM mean it will be effective until that altitude ( can still turn ) rather than that the max altitude the missiles can reach , also B-70 fly alot lower than the max altitude of these SAM
you can either way forget any SAM has fuel left at B-70 operating altitude, so thrust vectoring is disabled
most modern SAM have enough fuel to go much higher than that
b-70 flying at 70,000 feet (21,000 m) but
SM-3 Block IA/B have ceiling ~500 km (311 miles)
SM-3 Block IIA have ceiling ~1500 km
THAAD have ceiling 93 miles (150 km )
SM-2/6 have ceiling 110,000 ft (33,000 m)
PAC-1/2 have ceiling 79,500 feet (24,200 m )
9M96 have ceiling 35,000 m
…etc
Even rockets with thrust vectoring need wings or fins to “lift” the missile in a turn. Without the wing or fin area to react against, all thrust vectoring will do at very high altitudes is turn the missile side ways. At the altitude the B-70 was designed to fly, that is an iffy thing for an anti aircraft missile.
Example during the cold war Russian fighters couldnt stay with even a B-47 in high altitude turns. In the early years of its deployment the B-47 scared the hell out of the Russians.
Doesn’t seem to have worked that well in real combat.
no no i mean it could have use that in theory , but in reality HARM seeker probably only know the bearing of target
Aster . . .
oh and sm-6 as well
The original HARM had a pretty poor hit ratio. Now that the AARGM has a terminal seeker it might not be that bad but the earlier variants would have benefited from better accuracy in case the radar is turned off. The missile would have needed the capability to keep in storage the location of the radar and navigate to the target point as accurately as possible.
in theory the seeker on HARM may use the azimuth /elevation method ( triangulate with the ground ) to locate enemy SAM radar
I want to see extra t/r modules on pylons, tail fin etc for this reason
triangulate need 2 point of significant distance from other ( create a triangle with target ) to be accurate
so i dont really think more antenna will help alot
mig31
At the altitude the B-70 was designed to fly, what fighter or missile could turn with the B-70? It had a huge wing area, and its compression lift.
SM-2/3 , PAC-3 , THAAD ,40N6 , 9M96E2 , Meteor , NCADE , R-37 , Matra Super 530 ,R-40 , Aim-7..etc
anything that either fly really fast or have ACM or thrust vectoring
levsha
If cancelling the B-70 was a good idea, how come we are still flying the B-52 probably up into the 2040s. A B-70 would carry cruise missiles to their launch point much higher, and 3 timess faster.
simple , it alot more expensive but not alot more survivable again interceptor or SAM , shorter range than B-52, a very big turn rate mean it will have to fly over other countries airspace alot and unable to avoid pop up threat ( mig-31 have turn rate of more than 34 km at mach 2.2 , so a bomber like B-70 at mach mach 3 probably have turn rate of 200 km )
It does. The bigger the difference the better. If you only have one aircraft, wing-tip is the best you can do, with a second aircraft much further apart, more accuracy is possible.
I really doubt that you can achieve 1 degree accurate by wing tip, that may be achieved by using multiple aircraft to triangulate or flying one aircraft with significant distance to get different bearing, but with only wing tip triangulate, the difference may be a lot bigger
DRDO claim Astra to have an active homing range of nearly 16 miles, which is 13.9 nm,
as compared to the BVR classifier of ~>5 nm
maximum active homing range 16 miles probably again target with RCS = 100 m2 , again fighter with RCS = 1m2 or lower the seeker range may be only 4 miles
at really short range you can basically launch missiles without range information , only bearing is needed Ex : rear shot demonstrate by DAS
also you maynot able to see enemy aircraft over 5 nm but
The term beyond-visual-range missile (BVR) usually refers to an air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) that is capable of engaging at ranges of 20 nmi (37 km) or beyond.
the main different is submarine usually cannot detect other at distance > 3-4 km while aircraft can actually detect other from 300-400 km hence when they engage aircraft need information about target bearing , speed , range while submarine may only need bearing