Well then, you seem to have your left-wing knickers in a knot now don’t you.

Merry Christmas.:love-struck:

Sorry, don’t wear left wing knickers, knotted or not.

Just a little something that involves a shooting, a gun (not belonging to the police, although they feel the need to point that out!), a victim who was apparently asleep, an arrested officer, in Britain.

A firearms officer has been arrested and interviewed under caution over the shooting of a man.
Jermaine Baker, 28, was shot dead on 11 December during an alleged attempt to spring two convicts from a prison van in Wood Green, north London.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) told a meeting held to address community tensions that the officer was arrested on Thursday afternoon.
The IPCC has opened a homicide inquiry.
‘No CCTV found’
IPCC commissioner Cindy Butts said evidence suggested Mr Baker was in a black Audi when he was shot.
“In that car was what appeared to be a non-police issue firearm,” she said.
She told the meeting the IPCC was taking detailed statements from a number of significant witnesses but at this stage no relevant CCTV had been found.
Further forensic examinations were taking place on the firearm found in the car and the gun discharged by the police officer, she added.
The Police Federation said it wanted to find out why the IPCC was “bandying words about” like homicide.
“I’ve never heard of that before,” said spokesman Ken Marsh.
“It’s a week before Christmas and this individual’s [the officer] life has been thrown into disarray.”
Haringey Borough Commander Victor Olisa said police did not believe Mr Baker was a gang member, as had been suggested in some newspapers.
Community spokesman Darren Henry said: “The police officers murdered Jermaine.
“He was asleep when he was shot. There are witnesses who are afraid to step forward because of the witness intimidation in the Mark Duggan case.”
Some in the audience raised the fact that after Mr Duggan’s death there were promises that body cameras would be worn by all police but it had yet to happen.
Mr Duggan, 29, was shot by armed police in Tottenham on 4 August 2011. The shooting sparked rioting across London and other parts of England.
An inquest in January 2014 found he had been lawfully killed…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35123051

Some will believe that the best time to shoot someone is when they are asleep but, considering that the police now say they do not believe the victim was a gang member, it is a little late for questions about intelligence now.

A little strange, the comment from the IPCC (first one in bold in above quote) – ‘a non police issue firearm’ doesn’t exactly imply some dodgy gun smuggled in from eastern Europe, it is almost as though they are saying it was official but just not from the police…? Interesting.

Hmm, wasn’t he a democrat at the time?

Is Lincy really that hard up?

Anyone seen my coat?

If you say so.
It is sad to see you value some lives more than others but have a paranoid fear of firearms, how very sad.

It is sadder that you don’t value anybody’s life, cannot see the possibilities for terror presented by the existence of free-range firearm ownership, and appear paranoid about the (remote) possibility that your toys might be taken away from you. Still, undoubtedly that is Obama’s fault as well?

Let us see, our president said there was no real terror threat in our country, 14 people are murdered by persons, which it now turns out, had dealings with foreign terrorist groups for years while passing through Obama’s thorough vetting by immigration officials, without any challenge, so the day after a terrorist attack kill 14 people, all our attorney general says is our government rather than deal with terrorists will prosecute people who say bad things about Muslims.

And what would you have said if Obama had said that there was a real terror threat in America – ranted about him stirring up the country, inflaming hatred, or that he was being a realist and should be backed? To be perfectly honest this thread is about Trump, so for you to harp on about a president who does not share the same political view point as you, let alone the same skin colour, is disingenuous on your behalf and makes me wonder what you might actually be trying to distract us from…

To say Trump has done anything is simply moronic chatter by the ignorant.

So his comment that a woman shouldn’t be an American president is not ‘anything’?
His speech insisting – despite a lack of any evidence – that there were cheering Arabs in New Jersey as the WTC collapsed is ‘nothing’?
His insults about women menstruating – to a Fox News anchor! – is not ‘moronic chatter’?
His declaration that a Republican politician was not a war hero because he got captured is not ‘ignorant’?
His warning that Mexicans are rapists isn’t a crazy, stupid stereotype from another? Especially when he laughs about building a ‘great wall’ and making Mexico (the ‘crime bringers’, the ‘drug bringers’) pay for it?
His repeated insistence that Obama had a fake birth certificate, wasn’t born in America and wasn’t educated in America wasn’t anything like a racist attempt at self promotion? Just like his jibe that America NEEDED a leader who wrote The Art Of The Deal (his book, just in case it’s not on your bookshelf).
How about his wise insistence that one word described Atlantic City – big business?

He rivals GWB for stupid self belief and quotes.

Funny, you never have Americans here complaining about nutty UK pols….

Depends on which websites you frequent. You could try the Black Flag Cafe, or Live Leak for members of a certain nation sharing their views on the politics of lots of other nations…

Guys…as I said before: Move here and become a citizen. Then you can vote to your heats content.
Otherwise, shut the @#%& up. 🙂 🙂

My ‘heats’ content? Is that what you call it these days?
Guess you haven’t cancelled your subscription yet…

Your continual paranoia about the nuke button is a bit silly as no one, except other paranoids or desperate political hacks desperate for anything to get attention, think about that for one second.

You ranted because Obama said there was no terror threat in your country, yet you pay no heed to the idea that IS might obtain the makings for a dirty bomb and set it off in any one of your major urban conurbations…? You think about that for a second, will you?

The reason I put that is to show why Trump or other outsiders are doing so well, we have incompetent, arrogant, dictatorial people running the country now and all the Dem. candidates and a good number of Rep. candidates are of a similar ilk.

Hmm. Incompetent. Arrogant. Dictatorial. That just about describes politicians of every hue in every country, but then I subscribe to the opinion that nappies (diapers to you) and politicians should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
The reason Trump is being focused on is because he is guaranteed to say something asinine which grabs the headlines; his motto must be ‘no news is bad news’ and aims to hit the front pages whether in a good way or not. Meanwhile the world giggles, and if (hell no, please!) he becomes president then the world will quiver.

You only have access to political articles in what ever rag you read over there so you are no familiar with the extreme dissatisfaction many people here, including a goodly number of Democrats have with the lying, self-serving Washington insiders, or to put it another way same-old, same-old.

You make me laugh.
The dissatisfaction that you encounter will come from the world you inhabit, the company you keep, the media you frequent – the usual influences everyone has. Therefore if you hang around with rednecks, reading the rightwing press, watching rightwing TV news and believing your rightwing beliefs then it won’t be surprising that you will encounter the kind of scenario that allows you to become familiar with dissatisfaction in your current political leaders. If you change the politics of this scenario it would still hold true. How you can judge that ‘a goodly number’ of your (usually) political opponents share your dissatisfaction is a little confusing unless it is people who say they are democrats but (like Trump) are now republicans; maybe you could share your sources?
Not sure about others but the papers I read have quite an extensive review of world news, if you wish to read it. So do the news websites I frequent. (And I don’t – usually – bother to read the comments sections since they are usually a playground for mentally infirm extremists with a contrary view to the previous poster…) Can you say the same?

Unlike current politicians, Trump does not dummy down his rhetoric to avoid upsetting x concerns, he says what he says and deals with the reaction.

Like how he said he’d date his (eldest) daughter if she wasn’t his daughter? That must be comforting for the parents of young women across the world, and Ivankas husband too… Dummy is the right word, incidentally.

Not that I really want Trump but I would much, much, much prefer a pompous ass for a president than the arrogant lying two-faced slime we have had for so long.

Can’t think who you are referring to. Maybe you should provide qualifying proof of ‘arrogance’, ‘two faced-ness’, and ‘slime’ about whoever you are talking about.
Meanwhile why not try justifying the musings of a previous president whose intellect was demonstrated by such quotes as:

“I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn’t here.”
“We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease.”

“You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.”

“I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport.”

“I couldn’t imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah.”

“I’m the commander — see, I don’t need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being president.”

“Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties.” – discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson in 2003

“Do you have blacks, too?” – to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso

“I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.”

“For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It’s just unacceptable. And we’re going to do something about it.”

“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.”

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”

”It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas.”

”One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures.”

”You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you need to concentrate on.”

“I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right.”

“Goodbye from the world’s biggest polluter.” – in parting words to world leaders at his final G-8 Summit, punching the air and grinning widely as those present looked on in shock, Rusutsu, Japan

And the big one…:
“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.” – Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

Wasn’t he wonderful? Never needed to wait longer before a real zinger came along with Bush baby.

Anytime anyone picks up a firearm at a gunshow their are many, many eyes on that person, whether the seller, the Law, or simply others attending.
Guns must now be made temp. inoperable or they do not get in. For some one to start the task of making a firearm capable to chamber a round means his/her chance of success is some where between none and next to none.
BUT, I MUST add, at some gun shows knives are also sold and to stop one from grabbing one and start slashing, the odds are that people would be hurt and possibly killed.

But that sort of thing is well known – you’ve told us about it on this thread at least twice.
So, coupled with the lack of ammo, and therefore the need to bring it with you, plus the various different calibres required, it would appear to be easier (if we were planning a raid on a gun show, which we are not, and not this side of the Atlantic either) to just ram-raid the entrance or fire exit with your own guns and ammo in a 4×4. No dodgy unfireable guns, no wrong sized ammo, no trying to sneak past security, just the full blown element of surprise. Don’t forget that the terrorist attackers won’t be weighed down with any thoughts of survival since, for them, it is a suicide mission – unlike all those show-goers and the intervening police – so their main requirement would be to generate shock and terror through death, destruction, and media headlines.

You have made it exceptionally clear you have no idea of how the NRA operates, or how any gun shows operate.

Curses, and I thought we’d all been rather subtle…

Of course they could try to do a forced invasion, in which, some law enforcement officials would possibly be killed but the armed invaders would be shot dead long before they reached the door.

Very optimistic of you.
I too would like to think that an attack by armed attackers would be beaten off by the police, but since it wouldn’t be out of keeping to own a gun and practise using it there is a chance that any attack could be carried out by people who can actually use their weapons, which could be dangerous for all.

Now if they were truly diabolical and came with cartridges in their pockets, came in mass numbers, and were able to chamber a round or two before being clubbed to death or apprehended they might injure some one but that is all.

‘Might injure someone’? I like your optimism but unless the defence is forewarned and ready then the attackers initially hold all the cards; the shock of being under attack and panic from those trapped and under fire won’t help. There will be deaths.

Did some of you know this journalist, your rhetoric is so similar?
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2015/12/06/new-york-daily-news-column-likens-san-bernardino-attack-victim-to-terrorists-n2089541

Nope, never heard of her – but she certainly seems to be more along your line of thinking than mine…

Ah I see you are not totally ill informed.

Well, it would make sense: you don’t put dangerous weapons in the hands of bragging, testosterone saturated nutsos unless you are asking for trouble.

Witnessed a drive-by here the other day. A blacked-out and lowered Ka screamed up to someone in the street, the window was wound down and a voice screamed “******!” before they screeched off again, keeping under the 30mph limit allowed in towns. It was carnage.

A drive-by swearing? How utterly British…

You never been to a NRA show, they do not have secret gun meetings, and you blatantly know nothing of the security there, or any gun show in the U.S.

NRA officials meet at NRA headquarters or have business meeting like any other business in proper surroundings. (There is a fifty yard indoor shooting range just behind the office headquarters — EEWWWW, that is scary kids)
Your rather childish dream scenario sounds as if you are a bit annoyed your fantasy of the NRA and U.S. gun owners is only your fantasy.

You mean they are not even a little bit like the KKK, with hoods, secret handshakes and burning crosses? How disappointing.