snafuTrumpy, we heard you the first time…;o)
I did not refer to ‘immigrants’. People could perhaps be ‘imported’ from the overcrowded South East of England to the wastes of the Borders. There then, is an example that serves not to raise socialist hackles.
You can say that now, but I would love to stage a poll asking if readers thought you were referring to the importing of foreigners to Britain or the ‘importing’ of Britons from the South East of England to the ‘wastes of the Borders’. You are not helping yourself when using the word ‘import’ but describing the word ‘export’…
Your undistinguished colleague Snafu has enjoyed higher education – he might be able to assist.
Meow? Not sure I can anyway – too busy at the moment helping you choose the right term for your chosen scenario. Hope it’s nothing long term…
snafuRE 14
“enlighten – you ? In your case, waste of time !
Thank you. I trust that other observers might notice that you ignored the argument and attacked the postee.
What does that say about you and your argument if you’d rather not defend it?
snafuBUT we – being British, stiff upper lip and all that – should never stoop to the kind of levels that terrorists resort to; we have those rules exactly for that reason, because our troops represent Britain and our lofty ideals and beliefs.
They, the terrorists or resistance as they might call themselves, on the other hand, would not be as organised and, since they would have not had any specific central command with the ability to take or make immediate decisions, they would be able to claim (metaphorically, since it would never come to it) that it was down to the invariably untrained irregular militant individual who was out of their control – our troops should never be out of the control of senior officers and certainly not untrained in any aspect…
snafuBUT what other option is there?
I initially found it difficult progressing in my higher education, conversing with the lecturers using their first names. Granted, it was just a mindset that soon passed but there was (later) the ingrained respect given to your elders when you started work and had to speak to ‘Mr Jones’ or, when they permitted it, ‘Mr Bob’.
snafuI shall overlook your early bedtime…
Thank you for – somebody, at last! – reacting to the initial post.
In this case what is the other side that needs to be investigated? The British military are an organised force with rules and regulations to follow; it would be difficult to apply a similar investigation to the irregulars fighting at the time in Iraq…
And since the military already has set up the Iraq Historical Allegations Team (four years ago) they obviously feel there is something to be investigated, either to clear or prosecute presumably.
Short posts without trolling and with just 1 or 2 quotes will get much better results than long diatribes and 10 – 20 quotes LOL
Tried short posts. Didn’t work for me. People start replying before I get the gist of my own reply across and I start missing out other, sometimes more important, posts. And putting post numbers instead of quotes doesn’t direct the reader toward the section of the post being answered and, as we found recently, gets confusing when somebody deletes their posts because the numbers don’t get deleted too…
snafuRe 6
Tony, we do not have ‘free speech’ in this country. We have conditional free speech. If you say something which a vociferous minority finds offensive, a tide of hate will surge your way. Ironic really, when one considers that a perceived ‘hate crime’ was the trigger !
Charlie @ 8 hits the bullseye.
Just because a majority believe something to be right does not make it, necessarily, right.
If over half the population said that Danny Dyer (bad British ‘action’ actor) should be strung up in Parliament Square for crimes against acting, no matter how deserved it was, should that be permitted?
And if somebody finds something offensive should you be permitted to rubbish their reasons just because you don’t take offense? Who’s ‘offensive’ do you take notice of, and whose do you rubbish? If your mother found something offended her but you don’t, do you tell her to suck it in and grow a pair, or do you take note even though your own mother is in the minority?
Do enlighten us with your wisdom, please…
snafuAt what point do we stop importing people?
How about when our people, Britons, are able to fill those gaps that highly skilled foreign workers (the ‘good‘ immigrants) currently fill, as well as when Britons also feel up to taking all the low skill, low pay jobs that are just as, if not more, important but current filled by non-choosy low skilled foreign workers (the ‘bad‘ immigrants)?
I know everyone has to live somewhere but, when do we stop? 70, 80 or 100 million ? During the most mundane activity on a day-to-day or, weekly basis, whether it be shopping at the supermarket or buying fuel, one has to queue.
Walking along the pedestrianised area in my local town is, because of crowding, no easy task. Thousands of people on any day of the week accompanied by prams, pushchairs, bikes, shopping trolleys – all needing space. It is next to impossible to stride out and get somewhere in excess of the walking speed of the crowd. Go for a cup of tea and you will queue. GP’s waiting rooms and motorways stuffed with people and cars.
And it is immigrants causing the queues?;o)
Sorry – my local pedestrian precinct is never full of people; the last time I had to weave through massed throngs there was during a diamond jubilee event in 2012, and that was mainly because the council had built a stage across the precinct blocking off most of the thoroughfare. Same with the next town; Tuesday is market day and if they spaced out the stalls a bit better (to hide the gaps and empty shops) then there would be plenty of room instead of the opportunity to get your ankles skinned by an OAP speeding along on their mobility scooter.
Queuing at a cafe might have something to do with the staff chatting to their favourite customers (all too frequent an occurrence, I’ve found) or being unable to decipher between different types of cake or coffee and having to confer with the boss. And much as we would all enjoy being able to drop into the docs without needing to wait, that would mean they’d have time on their hands and that is inefficient – I’d love to get paid for doing nothing but wait, but no one wants to play ball on that one…
Why are “humans better united ?” To me that is an empty phrase beloved of politicians and sociologists. Why on earth would we want to ‘entwine’ with each other? I have little to nothing in common with most people nor do they with me. For the last fifteen or so years we’ve been driven to exasperation with political advice to embrace ‘diversity’ and yet if I read you correctly you want us all to throw our arms around unwashed strangers and enjoy a lovefest !
If we aren’t united I guess we are all battling each other individually? Many hands make light work…?
Sure you can think of your own cliche to apply here… Not sure I want to go about hugging all and sundry, although it might help fill the doctors spare time.
UKIP are popular – at the moment, of that there is little doubt, and the reason? They are prepared to talk about -hopefully in a meaningful way, widespread concerns about not only immigration but the relevance of the EU to the future of Britain. In a week or two we will know something about their popularity or otherwise.
Unfortunately UKIP take this apparent ‘plus’ point and run it up the figurative flag pole with the crazy rantings of people who think gay marriage causes flooding* and are not afraid to admit it.
(*Many other crazy rantings are available…)
snafuno different to someone starting a ‘discussion’ purely to get a rise, judging by the amount of threads you’ve started that appears to be yr only motive.
Ho ho – somebody childishly bleats “na-na ne-na-nah, you post lots of threads!” So I retort in a similar vein…and you’ve started precisely how many?
But I digress.
Problem or solution: my motive is to start a discussion on a board that is frequently boring: purely that, a solution.
Notice that I deliberately did not make any comment at the head of the page, first post.
Notice that I have not yet made a comment on the actual subject of the thread, but it must be said that neither has anybody else – so should we make an assumption about the feelings of the usually very vocal members who usually come to the defence of the military, no matter how distasteful the reason for the thread might be? Or should we just chuckle about what happened in the latest edition of Top Gear (like normal)?
Notice that the usual type of post posted is usually of the not awfully interested in discussion type.
Notice that many here are not interested in seeing the world away from their cosy existance.
Notice that many of the ex-military types refuse to even contemplate the idea that the military do occasionally do things wrong in the eyes of the law that making interesting reading to our countries enemies and terrorists eager for reasons to tempt fence sitters. (And if it has got to this stage then me posting something here that has made the national news isn’t going to alert them)
Your motive, at this point, appears to be to, um, ‘troll’ me into not asking questions, to prevent discussion, and (maybe?) start a flame war. You point out that I have started quite a few threads and I ask you in return which ones you believe are unnecessary AND why?
Alternatively, being part of the problem, you can just carry on sniping from the sidelines like the troll your post above reveals you to be?
……yes.
Like I said, suit yourself.
What is your solution (see above)?
[general question not aimed at anybody]Can I guess your collective solution is to ignore the really difficult questions by picking on the person asking those question?
Maybe you don’t care. Maybe you believe that they had it coming, they are lying, they are foreign and therefore deserved it – I don’t know, I’ve tried asking but you snipe about trolling. Maybe you believe our soldiers did do naughty things to foreign nationals that would be frowned upon in court – like that marine who executed that wounded Taliban on camera – but are scared to stick your head up and be counted? like I said, I don’t know since nobody is answering.
Maybe you should just reserve your thread reading to those concerning how great Top Gear is or your favourite shoe polish…[/general question not aimed at anybody]
snafuSuit yourself.
Is it me or does it seem strange that people come on general discussion and post that they don’t want to discuss?
snafuBut our moderators don’t think like that; my thread on UKIP was merged with another thread (of mine) on UKIP, despite the different intentions of each thread. And this particular story is even mentioned on the Clarkson thread.
Still, we’ll see.
snafuThis is all involved with the Jeremy Clarkson thread.
snafuTrolling me will not work. endex.
Just in case you cannot see further than your ego, the question was actually to anyone who cared to answer.
But if you really do not wish to answer can we make up you answer anyway?;o)
And what does ‘endex’ mean anyway? I have an idea, but this is not a military operation so please resurface in the real world, noduff.
snafuIf you had actually searched you would have found that the BNP censored their video themselves…
BNP Election Broadcast Featuring Muslim ‘Gangs’ Fails To Go Ahead On BBC
The BBC did not show a vile BNP cartoon featuring leering Muslim gangs as its party political broadcast, after the party deciding to submit a somewhat hurried substitute of a bloke talking in a room for four minutes.
The corporation said on Wednesday that contrary to the BNP’s claims of “censorship”, it did not actually stop the broadcast, but merely advised the party on its guidelines.
The Huffington Post UK was leaked a copy of the original animation submitted to the broadcaster over the weekend. It featured caricatured Muslim grooming gangs, swigging WKDs and leering at a schoolgirl, a woman in a burqa begging, and a bloodied silhouette of Michael Adebolajo, the killer of soldier Lee Rigby.
On Saturday, the BNP’s PR man Simon Darby said he was angry the animation had been leaked ahead of time, but insisted the BBC had not told him of any plans to stop the broadcast of the full animation. The party called the leak “a black ops campaign” against them.
On Tuesday night, just a few seconds of the animation was shown, with the segment cutting away to Darby, who said the “powers that be say we break Ofcom’s rules”. Ofcom do not set the guidelines that govern party political broadcasts on the BBC, only for ITV and Channels 4 and 5.
A BBC spokesperson said: “The BBC did not “censor” the broadcast. The BNP asked us for advice on the content on the broadcast and we advised them on the relevant guidelines and the law, when they subsequently submitted the broadcast it was editorially compliant.”
The corporation’s guidelines state that party broadcasts have an “obligation to observe the law, for example on libel, copyright and incitement to racial hatred and violence.”
In the clip shown on Tuesday night, Darby went on to allege other stories about the BNP had been hidden by the media, including a the somewhat bold statement that BNP leader Nick Griffin had stopped “the bombing of Damascus” and had “held peace talks with the Syrian government, and wrote the letter that helped sway Westminster to vote against war.”
The BNP leader himself appeared at the end of the clip, with a little rhyming couplet. “The other politicians are all the same. They’re all to blame,” he said, solemnly.
The BNP are not on the list of major parties and therefore do not automatically qualify for a Party Political Broadcast ahead of May’s European elections.
But Ofcom rules state that broadcasters should set a criteria so that other registered parties can qualify for a broadcast, and in 2014 that includes all parties that are running full lists of candidates in all English electoral regions, a spokesman for the watchdog said. The BBC has its own in-house guidelines.
“It is great news that common sense has prevailed,” Fiyaz Mughal, founder of the anti-Islamphobia group Tell MAMA told HuffPost UK.
“It seems the BNP simply is trying to promote more inflammatory messages just to catch some political limelight. Shameful is how I would describe it.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/30/bnp-party-broadcast-bbc_n_5238092.html
Yes, I am aware that this was published on 30/4/14, but I’ve found nothing else that comes remotely close – save this story (same source) about a BNP Youth Promotional video…
BNP Youth Promotional Video Decries Gays, Zionists, Bankers, Media, Islam, Immigration And Stephen Lawrence’s Mum
The BNP has released a horror show of a promotional video, featuring a raft of humourless youths offering disturbing rhetoric about the demise of Britain… and Stephen Lawrence’s mum.
The three-minute clip uploaded to YouTube asks “who is responsible for the ongoing attempt to irradiate the British culture and British identity?” an irradiation that has seemingly brought our once great nation crashing to its grazed and battered knees. The film also demands to know who is responsible for the “ever growing debt” and who is responsible for portraying “racist attacks as only being against non-whites”?
According to the eight culturally uniform cast members, Blighty’s downfall is attributable to the cultural Marxists that have infected schools and academia; the Zionists that have profited from British soldiers dying abroad; the militant homosexuals, who are trying to destroy the traditional family unit… and Stephen Lawrence’s mum (it is not made clear why she’s on the list).
Islam, immigration and the EU also take a kicking from an assortment of size 5 shoes, as do the bankers, capitalism and, of course, a complicit media.
“We want our land to be a home for our people and our culture,” says a wiry-haired boy before one of his colleagues chips in with a demand return to “core Christian values”.
In recent weeks, the BBC became embroiled in a row over a vile BNP cartoon featuring leering Muslim gangs as a party political broadcast, forcing the BNP to submit a somewhat hurried substitute of a bloke talking in a room for four minutes.
The corporation insisted that contrary to the BNP’s claims of “censorship”, it did not actually stop the broadcast, but merely advised the party on its guidelines.
The Huffington Post UK was leaked a copy of the original animation submitted to the broadcaster. It featured caricatured Muslim grooming gangs, swigging WKDs and leering at a schoolgirl, a woman in a burqa begging, and a bloodied silhouette of Michael Adebolajo, the killer of soldier Lee Rigby.
In response, the BNP’s PR man Simon Darby said he was angry the animation had been leaked ahead of time, but insisted the BBC had not told him of any plans to stop the broadcast of the full animation. The party called the leak “a black ops campaign” against them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/13/bnp-youth-promotional-video_n_5317969.html
If there was anything about a recent ban then it surely would have been a little bit easier to find?
snafuBut for which party…?;o)
snafuThis somewhat reminds me of the guy that reported his neighbours to the police for having wildly enthusiastic sex with the lights on and their curtains left open. The visiting policeman, having looked out from the complainant’s house points out that it isn’t actually possible to see the into neighbours’ bedroom window, to which the response is “Well you have to climb on that wardrobe first, you’ll find the binoculars up there”
Hey, when I posted that you deleted it because of the younger element we (apparently) get here…;o)
No, you aren’t; you’re indulging in your usual school playground yah-boo tactics of trying to get others to lose their tempers. FAIL (that’s why I deleted previous posts, since I won’t play to your tune); come back, and try again, when you’ve achieved proper adulthood.
I am not sure what you think you are talking about – I repeated most of each of your post in my replies…doing the same now just in case you decide to run off with your ‘toys’ again.
And I thought we were discussing – I said the ‘n’ word was offensive, and you wanted to reclaim it for paint charts and printers inks, etc. Now you are going on about the name chosen by the novelty act that won Eurovision and claiming I’m trying to get you to lose your temper. Personally (and I don’t care how you feel about it) I think you did lose your temper and that was why you threw your teddy out of the pram – but you lost that plot and came back again.
Now please play nicely.
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