Only that you delight in attaching labels to others, while having no evidence to support it.

Labels such as…?

And bringing down the full majesty of the law onto someone simply for saying something is the behaviour of the bigot; if you can’t persuade, simply by the power of your rhetoric, someone of the wrongness of their behaviour, then leave the floor clear for someone who can.

I was merely indicating that care needed to be taken; it was not me threatening Charlie, no matter what you might assume.

Who said anything about enemies? You do not figure large enough, in my life, to assume such a mantle; there are far too many, on the net, who, like you, hide behind a pseudonym, make provocative statements, then, when someone reacts, produce the wide-eyed innocent “Who, me?” reaction, and continue to answer a question with more questions, solely with a view to getting an angry reaction.

My views are not the same as yours, nor many others here; I am well aware that I am kicking the status quo – hence enemy. I am happy to back up any of my ‘provocative’ statements and have not, as yet, resorted to acting the wide-eyed innocent.

If it doesn’t include your “stimulating conversation,” most definitely. Not far from here is a thread, with a member desperately asking for help with a personal problem, to which you have made not a single addition (helpful or otherwise,) which lends weight to my conviction that you only enjoy stirring things up, and have no real interest in your fellow man.

I am well aware of Lincs problems (just because I haven’t posted does not mean I don’t read it. Think about all those threads you haven’t posted on – are they invalid too?). I cannot believe you’d think I would go and add to his woes by posting something unhelpful on there; maybe it is your own subconscious planting seeds in your mind – it is not mine.

Maybe I have not made a post on there because there is nothing I can add that someone else has not already said, maybe his problems echo a situation of my own in the slightly less than recent past (a situation which I have no wish to ever go back to, what with having very little recollection and only the hearsay of others to refer to), the scars of which were not just mental…
We all have had problems over the years – it is called life and it is something we have to deal with, one way or another. Some can ask for help from people they don’t know and others can not. Either way I wish him all the best; if there was anything I could do I would at the drop of a hat, but my own ‘lifeskills’ are not going to help him at this moment.

Oh, and getting back on message as far as the thread goes… Yes I have an interest in my fellow man – I am one for a start, drawing attention to a political party which does not appear to have an equal interest in all the inhabitants of this country. Can you say the same when you would happily offend a proportion of the country over the name of a black dog in 1943?

applause: Nice try.

Not really an answer though. Was I wrong?

Please indicate where I’ve said that we should.

Well, I was speaking generally but if you want to take that responsibility on your shoulders…

Just in case your education has been incomplete, do look back to the Latin word for black, and you’ll find that the word, to which so many object, is nothing more than an Anglicised version; are you planning to rewrite the Latin-English dictionary? Webster’s already been that route.

Indeed, but the use it was being put to – that we are referring to – is about skin colour, which is offensive to those of colour. And that favourite South African offensive slur ‘kaffir’ also has roots that are non offensive, yet language lives and moves on. Just because it was once not offensive does not mean it is possible to reclaim it now – ask your black friends.

Never have, never will, even in response to provocateurs like you (and note that you were the one who introduced it)

…um, introduced to illustrate the point about language living. I did not, nor would I, refer to you (even after your provocation) or anyone else by that revolting term.

It was a common word to describe a particular shade of dye/colour, but its incessant use by the dregs of society–

Which in particular? I forget which but one of the early C20th kings was apparently quite partial to using the word in its offensive capacity, calling an ethnic servant or boy to him with the word in a manner displaying a complete lack of irony.
Royal dregs?

-as a means to insult others, has made it unusable.

So, you have no problem with the people to whom your word refers being offended? In fact it was reclaimed in America by ‘gansta rap’ acts of the 1980’s purely to offend, and has seeped into general usage there since – but only for African Americans.

Strange how the “f” word also used to be considered beyond the pale, so much so that I would never consider using it in front of a woman or child, yet the “entertainment” industry’s never-ending use has made it acceptable (though not to me – one example, and off goes the TV.)

So… You are offended by the ‘f’ word (another word which has origins in the middleages, if not further back), which at least illustrates a term to procreate, and want less use made (which I am all for) yet want the ‘n’ word, a word currently used (in Britain at least) for no other reason but to offend, reclaimed because it does not offend you? Like I said, language lives and moves on.

Why? Are you planning to go round and beat him up, if he says yes?

Why, is that what you do?

Seriously that would never have entered my head; are you so wrapped up in violence that it is immediately what you thought? What does that say about you?

Or maybe get the thought police to come calling? Quite frankly, what he thinks is none of your business.

Indeed, and you may defend his word with your life – but care still needs to be taken due to the Race Relations Act 1976 (et al) which outlaws discrimination on racial grounds and oversees relations between people of different racial groups. Telling somebody ‘of colour’ to go back to ‘another country’ on the basis of their ‘colour’ is frowned upon by law.

Who appointed you judge, jury, and executioner in all things political, may I ask?

Ho ho… Since my views are different to yours I must be the enemy – and that of all the right-thinking, decent, hard working man in the street too.
We thrive on discussion – but there needs to be discussion otherwise you will just go about discussing bloody Top Gear all s0dding week… My view is contrary to yours: therefore discuss why I am your enemy. Please?

You trawl through the news, picking out controversial items, then sit back, inviting comment, while waiting to pounce on anyone who doesn’t share your jaundiced view of certain political parties/personalities.

Well done. You have worked out my game plan… I find a subject and try to kick off a discussion and one this one you bit!
Now, pick a subject of your own and discuss. Or would you rather sit there looking at a dead forum?

Thanks to people like you, with their excreta-agitating behaviour, we can no longer even call a dog by his given name from 70 years ago.

(I can imagine you sitting there, foaming from the mouth, jabbing a finger at your monitor and hammering on the keyboard! Tell me I am wrong!!!)
And we can’t enslave people of a different ethnic minority, call them ‘monkeys’ and worse, we can’t lock up people of differing religious views for no reason anymore (although we can still invade their countries), we can no longer act like gods with power over life and death – just like we used to in places like South Africa and Rhodesia 70 years ago.
Just because these things used to happen, just because such names were used at one time, doesn’t mean that it was right then nor right now. Example: is it right to call somebody a cxxt? Do you call people that? Is it right to call women that? I don’t, I am disgusted when I hear it happening YET that word was once part of a common name for a thoroughfare where prostitutes were to be found in the middleages (see Gropecxxt Lane on Wiki). The name you refer to was once common, but it is now regarded as offensive by the authorities and by ethnic minorities – explain to me why you think this word and the one above are no longer in common usage by decent, considerate people.

Snafu you epitomise the point behind my earlier post. Thank you for helping to substantiate it.

Just because you’d ban the word racist wouldn’t make the problem go away. What would you replace it with?

If you don’t think the other parties have racists and other, worse things making up their numbers, you obviously don’t know politics.

There is racism (sorry Charlie) in everything and everybody if you look hard enough. UKIPs little Hitlers are not difficult to find since they seem to be proud enough to wear it like a badge and spout it in the most inappropriate places. Have a dig and find some in the other parties, please.

Strange how no one is slating Lenny Henry for the racist comment that started this. If racial quotas aren’t racist, I don’t know what is?!

So, let me get this straight, if someone says there are not enough ethnic actors on TV they are being racist? If there are not enough ethnic police officers on a force and someone points this out, is that racist? Would it have been racist to ask about the pre-apartheid governments ethnic make up in South Africa?
Unless you are referring to something else here you are being rather silly – did someone take away your crayons?

I’ll be voting UKIP, because we need a change in the established order in this country. The current lot aren’t working, and a Labour government would be a complete disaster for the UK, as they have always been.

Good of you to share.

A quick question then. Do you agree with Henwood that Lenny Henry should go and live in a “black country”? Despite that fact that Lenny Henry is as British as you or I?

You will not get an answer from them. Not what they really think, anyway.;o)

You might get a politically correct answer, even though they’d insist they don’t do politically correct…

Saying that there should be more black/ethnic minority people in the entertainment industry is hardly racist.

Unless you are black, of course, eh j_jza80?;o)

If you think UKIP are in any way a change from the established parties then I’m afraid you’re sadly mistaken. Public school, City working, ex-Tories are not a “change” from anything.
UKIP are certainly different in that they are vastly more incompetent than the other parties – by some margin.

Don’t forget the refugees from the BNP…

I have been working since i was 16, and voting ever since.

Um, shouldn’t you have been voting from 18…?

In 33 years i have worked under the Tories,Labour,ConDem governments and i have to say i have no faith in any of them.It is all too institutionalised ,1 v 1 entrenched blame culture.

I know – welcome to politics. Isn’t it great?[/sarcasm]

I am personally fed up with the lot of them so how should i vote?

That is between you and the ballot box, but if you ask people you will get the benefit of all their prejudices thrown in too.
But you could find a party that you agree with, explore their policies, make sure their working out works out, and put your tick in their box on polling day. It is up to you whether you read the papers and discover what their membership really want, what silly things they tweet and believe, and whether their lies are as believable as the other parties lies…

All the comments about the bad things about UKIP ,well lets do some likewise digging into some of the Labour,Cons,LibDem candidates past and present –not so pretty either.

Yep, but that’s what happens. To be in politics these days you need to be either whiter than white or come clean before you get discovered and just brazen it out. Those stupid enough to tweet crass statements about ethnic minorities show that the Darwin effect works in political circles too.

People died for the right to vote but the right to vote for a decent way just isn’t available [realistically].

The right to vote for a decent way? What does this mean? Would you rather we had a system like that used in North Korea – one man, one vote, one winner, no choice?
I agree: party politics in Britain is utterly pointless because ‘they’ win no matter who gets in – but UKIP is not the answer, they are still a ‘they’. Party politics in Britain is governed by a certain ‘type’ of person with a certain mindset, who won’t change anything because that might make his/her job redundant; it is self protection.

So who do i vote for ? No vote won’t change anything so guilty of keeping things the gruesome same.

If voting made a difference they’d outlaw it.

Oh, forgot that Farage tried to distance himself from his own previous election manifesto by declaring it

‘drivel’!

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/seriously-rise-UKIP/story-20903848-detail/story.html

What a guy…

The way the media and leaders of the other parties are picking up on every anti-UKIP story they can, tells us one thing.
They are really frightened of them.

[Rolls eyes like a mad man] No, the reason the media is picking everything up is because the other parties are all being bland and protective of themselves – there isn’t much news about at the moment. Anyone know what Labour is up to at the moment, other than either agreeing with the ConLib pact or (trying to) shoot them down?

And as for anti-UKIP story – are you seriously joking? All those stories are being supplied by UKIP themselves! (Guffaw!)
Which ones – in your opinion – are made up or maliciously hounding an innocent candidate by media/other political party? The stupid bigoted tweets about Lenny Henry? The other stupid bigoted tweets about Islam and Miliband not being British? The Irish immigrant model posterboy? The poster woman who turned out to be Farage’s personal assistant? How about the UKIP MEPs employing foreign assistants in Brussels rather than Britons? Maybe the floods being caused by gay marriage? (Chortle!)
What do you really expect the media to do, totally ignore that wonderful golden egg-laying turkey that’s fallen into their laps? No way – when life hands you lemons then lemonade shall be made and UKIP is helpfully churning out lemons by the tree load! (Tee hee!)