snafuFo those that stated that the other parties had racists in them as well, I would be interested in seeing a similar list in connection with the Labour party or the Conservatives though.
See that most (all?) of them have previous form in other parties. Maybe those other parties were not – lets just say – extreme enough for them?
Not sure this warrants another UKIP thread though.
This thread is purely to show the weirdo’s and their party, not a place for the distraction of discussing what is or not offensive.
snafuFound this – UKIP = United Kingdoms Idiot Party
An oldy (2012)…
Now UKIP recruit claims it is ‘dangerous’ to let unemployed vote
After Scrapbook exposed sick comments from a UKIP councillor on banning unemployed people from voting, the party’s most high-profile new recruit has rushed to his defence, claiming Cllr Tom Bursnall “has a point”, going on to say it is “dangerous” to let unemployed people vote.
Having defected from the Tories, 23 year-old Alexandra Swann was the star turn at UKIP’s recent conference in Skegness — with party leader Nigel Farage proudly declaring that “the Swann has migrated”.
But appearing to agree with Cllr Bursnall, who as the former chair of Conservative Future is also a defector from the Tories to UKIP, she continued:
“allowing people to vote on how other people’s money is spent — if they dont contribute — is dangerous”
With these views, Scrapbook was unsurprised to learn that Swann idolises anarcho-Libertarian philosophers and is completing a PhD in social Darwinism.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/04/alexandra-swann-unemployed-voting/
Once again – this is from 2012.
UKIP RECRUIT CLAIMS IT IS ‘DANGEROUS’ TO LET UNEMPLOYED VOTE
After Scrapbook exposed sick comments from a UKIP councillor on banning unemployed people from voting, the party’s most high-profile new recruit has rushed to his defence, claiming Cllr Tom Bursnall “has a point”, going on to say it is “dangerous” to let unemployed people vote.
Having defected from the Tories, 23 year-old Alexandra Swann was the star turn at UKIP’s recent conference in Skegness — with party leader Nigel Farage proudly declaring that “the Swann has migrated”.
But appearing to agree with Cllr Bursnall, who as the former chair of Conservative Future is also a defector from the Tories to UKIP, she continued:
“allowing people to vote on how other people’s money is spent — if they dont contribute — is dangerous”
With these views, Scrapbook was unsurprised to learn that Swann idolises anarcho-Libertarian philosophers and is completing a PhD in social Darwinism.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/04/alexandra-swann-unemployed-voting/
Her view could also be used to prevent both students and the retired from voting. Wonder if anyone seriously followed this up?
Want another? From last year…
The UKIP candidate who SUPPORTS sharia law: Right-wing party’s activist under fire for saying thieves should have their hands cut off
A UKIP candidate is facing calls to resign after claiming the solution to crime in Britain is sharia law and thieves should have their hands cut off.
Self-employed builder and UKIP activist Dean Perks, prospective candidate for Halesowen and Rowley Regis, shocked supporters at a rally when he suggested the brutal punishment as a legitimate way to tackle crime.
Mr Perks is due to stand for the party at the next general election but leader Nigel Farage is now facing a barrage of calls to get rid of him.
Speaking at a meeting with supporters in Coventry, West Midlands, earlier this year Mr Perks made the shocking claims.
He said: ‘In my opinion, sharia law works as a prevention – and prevention is better than cure.
‘If you think you are going to get your hand chopped off for pinching something, you won’t pinch it.
‘I recently had a conversation with someone who asked what I thought of Sharia law.
‘I said: “Well in all honesty, I do agree with part – but by no means all – of sharia law”. That’s my view – my opinion. I ain’t going to defend myself. I do agree with it.
‘Sharia law, in my opinion, works as a prevention.’
The potential candidate is no stranger to controversy, earlier this year he faced a backlash when he praised the Enoch Powell, claiming he was ‘well liked in the Asian community’ and labelling him ‘a visionary’.
He was also forced to admit calling someone ‘retarded’ via social network Twitter.
The controversies were a far cry from a statement he gave on launching his campaign, claiming he would never bad mouth other candidates.
In launching his campaign for the hotly contested Halesowen and Rowley Regis seat, Mr Perks said: ‘I hope to show people a new type of politician.
‘It is not my intention to bad mouth or attack any other candidates as I believe we should all be in the running for the same purpose.’
However on he was involved in the ugly Twitter spat which resulted him writing: ‘I just asked the question but he will not answer, I think he may be retarded.’
This followed on from an argument with Labour councillor Dave Branwood who asked Mr Perks whether he thought Enoch Powell, whose 1968 Rivers of Blood speech caused his own downfall, was racist.
Mr Perks replied: ‘No. It’s a fact he was very well liked amongst the Asian community. I’d say he was a visionary.’
This led to anti-facist, left wing politicians, including Dudley North Ian Austin MP and several other outraged Twitter users to round on Mr Perks calling him racist.
However, Mr Perks, denied he is racist.
He said: ‘I have never studied Enoch Powell. I’m not racist because I’m not afraid to have an opinion. I have a Muslim godson, a Sikh brother-in-law and three mixed race cousins.’
Now he is facing more calls to resign from MPs. John Spellar, Labour MP for Warley, said the comments were typical of the party.
He said: ‘Once again this shows the bizarre sort of candidate that UKIP is attracting.
‘People from all communities will be astonished and appalled that Mr Perks want to bring such barbarity into Britain.’
‘The real question is how did he ever get to be a candidate in the first place. I challenge Nigel Farage to throw him out immediately.’
Khalid Mahmood, Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said: ‘Sharia law can only be applied in Muslim states.
‘There is no way sharia law could be introduced in the UK and Muslims who live in countries where there isn’t a predominance of Muslims, like here, follow the law of the land.
‘Mr Perks seems to be very confused, you can’t pick and chose with sharia law, you either believe in all of it, or none of it’
Mr Perks did not make clear which parts of sharia law he agrees and disagrees with and could not be contacted for comment yesterday.
But on his Twitter page he insisted he is ‘against sharia law in the UK’.‘Nazi salute was me grabbing phone’
Somerset candidate Alex Wood was suspended from the party pending a police investigation into a series of allegedly racist postings on his Facebook page.
In one picture he was photographed apparently making a Nazi salute although he said: ‘The supposed wrong hand salute is actually me grabbing after a friend’s phone.’ In another image, he was pictured in front of a Union flag holding a dagger between his teeth.
He said: ‘‘I am completely against the Nazi beliefs, I am a democratic libertarian.’‘N***** in the woodpile’
Rob Fraser, a former Tory councillor before becoming a Ukip candidate in Leicestershire, is no stranger to racist controversy having already been investigated twice in the past three years.
One was for using the phrase ‘n***** in the woodpile’ and the second for saying Romanian travellers would ‘stick a knife in you as soon as they look at you’.
He was suspended for a month in 2009 and sent for ‘intensive’ diversity classes. He said at the time: ‘I regret using the phrase but I wasn’t using it in a racist manner…You have to be so careful what you say these days but I can’t stop being me.’‘I’m not endorsing Jimmy Savile’
This year’s Hampshire candidate Bradley Monk, 19, wore a mask of DJ paedophile Jimmy Savile to a Halloween party last year. A photo was posted online.
He told The Sun: ‘It was meant as a harmless joke. I’m in no way endorsing Savile — what he did was disgusting.’
‘People won’t think I’m an Adolf Hitler sympathiser’
Richard Delingpole, 46, stood for UKIP in Blackmore Vale, Somerset, earlier this year. He posted a photo mock-up on Facebook of himself stood next to Adolf Hitler. Opponents said the stunt was ‘shocking and abhorrent’ but he said it was a joke to highlight how Tories were trawling social media accounts to embarrass UKIP candidates.
He said: ‘It’s clearly a picture I have Photoshopped, it shows we’ve got a sense of humour.’‘It’s just ethnic banter’
Chris Scotton, another candidate in Leicestershire this year, was exposed as an activist for the far-right English Defence League, which has been linked to violent demonstration in Leicester and elsewhere.
The 24-year-old was suspended by ULIP for expressing his support for the group on Facebook in 2010.
He also ‘liked’ a site called ‘I hate [it] when I lose my black friend in the dark’, dismissed racism as ‘just ethnic banter’ and ‘liked’ a number of sexist pages on Facebook, including one which derides ‘fat slags’.‘Exercise stops children becoming gay’
John Sullivan, a candidate in Gloucestershire, was investigated for homophobia, after apparently claiming on Facebook that regular exercise in schools can prevent children becoming gay.
In comments which have since been removed, claimed regular exercise for children ‘released tension and thus avoided homosexuality’, according to a website. He also said supporters of gay marriages were ‘termites’, and congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches. He is still standing for election.‘World War Two was engineered by the Jews’
Anna-Marie Crampton, who represented the party in East Sussex, was suspended after claiming that the Holocaust was caused by the Jews.
Web comments made in her name in February said: ‘The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist Jews and financed by the banksters’.
And went on: ‘It was thanks to them that six million Jews were murdered in the war along with 26 million Russians’. She claimed her account had been hacked.
She was suspended pending an investigation.
But she still wrote a song urging people to vote for UKIP. She said: ‘I still endorse UKIP they are the way forward. I am not the only member that has been the victim of a dirty tricks campaign.’‘Margaret Thatcher is an old w****’
Ken Bell, a candidate for Pendle Central in Lancashire, attracted attention for his unsavoury views since joining Twitter earlier this year, at one point describing Margaret Thatcher as ‘an old w****’, and declaring his admiration for Joseph Stalin.
Mr Bell, who trumpets the fact his wife is from Mexico in campaign literature and describes himself as a socialist and ex-Labour member, has been accused of ridiculing the disabled, being homophobic and making lewd attacks on political opponents. He said he had ‘no regrets’ but has now stood down.‘Just a general hatred for humans’
Zoe Philpson, who ran for Northumberland County Council, listed her activities on Facebook as a ‘general hatred for most humans’.
She has also ‘liked’ comments such as ‘God made every person different then he got to china and thought F**K IT’ and ‘Two chavs jump off a cliff. Who wins?…society.’
Another 2013 revelation:
Dr Julia Gasper branded gay rights a “lunatic’s charter” and claimed some homosexuals prefer sex with animals…
She has now resigned as *chairman of the [UKIP] Oxford branch after airing her views on the party’s *official members’ forum.
Her controversial *remarks and those of other members sparked outrage.
UKIP has since suspended the forum after Labour vice-chairman Michael Dugher led complaints about “the nasty racism and appalling homophobia” of some of the comments posted.
A spokesman for UKIP said: “Dr Gasper has stood down to avoid doing herself or the party any more *damage.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-dr-julia-gasper-quits-1545955
Later in the year she was back…
Former UKIP candidate Julia Gasper questions whether the only gay Holocaust victims were Jews
A former UKIP parliamentary candidate has written a paper questioning whether gay people sent to death camps during the Holocaust were only sent there because they were also Jewish.
Dr Julia Gasper, a former parliamentary candidate and UKIP branch chairman in Oxford, made the claims in a paper titled “Where Is the Evidence for a ‘Homocaust’?”, which was published on Academia.edu.
Another from 2012:
Ukip candidate Geoffrey Clark condemned over compulsory abortion views
Geoffrey Clark, who is standing for the Ukip National Executive Committee and local elections, is under fire over his personal internet “manifesto” containing controversial views on disabled people, Muslims and immigration.
He called for a Government review to “re-examine the pregnancy abortion time limit. Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, spina bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family”.
The manifesto also said a review should look into medical treatment for people over the age of 80, which the 66-year-old says is “extraordinarily costly” to the NHS.
In another section of the website, he appeared to describe immigration as a “cancer” in a poem about the “defending British culture from attack”.
He also quotes purportedly from translations of the Koran and says “anyone who does believe it today must be a scumbag”. On gay marriage, the candidate said the idea is an “abhorrence”…
‘Anders Breivik had the right idea’???
Sheffield UKIP candidate removed over Breivik blog post
A man who was due to stand in Sheffield’s local elections for UKIP has been stripped of the candidacy over comments made on his blog.
Steve Moxon, a former government whistle-blower, is standing in the Dore and Totley ward.
On his blog he said Norwegian killer Anders Breivik’s thesis on Islam and political correctness was accurate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-17911131
Geoffrey “Women who don’t clean behind the fridge are sluts” Bloom digs holes in 2013
Godfrey Bloom, the Ukip MEP who sparked controversy by claiming British foreign aid should not be sent to “Bongo-Bongo land” and claimed that women are better at finding “mustard in the pantry” than driving cars, has embarrassingly confused Channel 4 News’ Faisal Islam for Krishnan Guru-Murthy.
Replying to a post on Twitter by Channel 4 News’ economics editor Faisal Islam, Mr Bloom posted: “Perhaps you will let him [George Osborne] answer a question, unlike your one-sided rant at me?”
Mr Bloom was referring to a disastrous interview with Mr Guru-Murthy on Channel 4 News. Mr Bloom said that “President Bongo of Gabon [is] the current president of Gabon, and his name is Bongo”. The MEP eventually became frustrated with the questioning by Mr Guru-Murthy in the interview and stormed out.
The controversial politician was notified of his case of mistaken identity by Mr Islam shortly after: “Are you perhaps mistaken me for @krishgm? [Krishnan Guru-Murthy] He is a different person.”
Mr Bloom caused offence and was reprimanded by his party with his comments about Britain’s foreign aid contributions in August. The Ukip MEP was caught on camera demanding the UK stop sending money to ‘Bongo Bongo’.
Speaking to ITV’s Daybreak programme Mr Bloom insisted his comments were not racist as a bongo is a type of antelope, so he was simply referring to a land of the antelopes.
“If anybody would care to take a look at the Oxford dictionary this morning, they would find ‘bongo’ is a white antelope that lives in the forest,” he said.
He added: “There is no connotation of racism about whatsoever. ‘Bongo Land’ is the land of the antelope.”
The phrase has been notorious since former Tory minister Alan Clark used it to refer to Africa in 1985 in an official meeting. Ukip has now banned its members from using the phrase.
Mr Bloom courted even more controversy after he disparaged women drivers in a piece for Politics.co.uk: “Men and women care about different things on a micro-scale. Leaving the lavatory seat up, wet towels on the bed and the top left off the toothpaste will drive a wife mad. A man simply cannot understand what the problem is. Most wives do not regard putting petrol in the car as any part of their responsibility. Men cannot see the point in making the bed if you are going to get back in it tonight.”
Male UKIP MEP never had a baby!
Ukip MEP Stuart Agnew seems to have stepped into the void left by Godfrey Bloom, who jokingly called women “sluts” for not cleaning behind the fridge, by suggesting women lack the ambition to “go right to the top” because their desire for a baby “gets in the way”…
…”I’ve never had a baby, but I understand if you do have a baby it can change your life – it changes your ambitions. So, the route is there. Those females who really want to get to the top do so.”http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/28/ukip-stuart-agnew-women_n_4355001.html
Lord Pearson of Rannoch, ex UKIP leader and Islamophobe, stirs the pot in the Lords
4.36 pm
Asked by Lord Pearson of Rannoch
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what was the basis for the statement by the Prime Minister on 3 June that “There is nothing in Islam that justifies acts of terror” (HC Deb, 3 June, col 1234).
Lord Pearson of Rannoch (UKIP): My Lords:
“But there is a problem within Islam—from the adherents of an ideology that is a strain within Islam. And we have to put it on the table and be honest about it.
Of course there are Christian extremists and Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu ones. But I am afraid this strain is not the province of a few extremists. It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open-minded societies.
At the extreme end of the spectrum are terrorists, but the world view goes deeper and wider than it is comfortable for us to admit. So by and large we don’t admit it. This has two effects. First, those with that view think we are weak and that gives them strength.
Second, those within Islam—and the good news is there are many—who actually know this problem exists and want to do something about it, lose heart”.
Those are not my words but those of Tony Blair, after the Islamist murder last summer of Drummer Rigby—the same Tony Blair who, as Prime Minister, dismantled our borders to,
“rub the noses of the right in diversity”.
We must be grateful that his subsequent experience as our Middle East envoy has taught him something about the reality of modern Islam, and that he had the courage to say what he did. In these few minutes, I want to talk about some of that reality.
Islam does not enjoy the separation of powers that we take for granted in our liberal, western democracies. Islam’s Sharia law is a legal, political and religious system all in one, which takes its authority solely from the Koran, the Hadith and the Sunnah, as interpreted by its religious clerics, collectively known as the ulema.
Our Muslim friends tell us that the jihadists are a misguided minority who misinterpret the Koran and the holy texts. They point to verses such as Surah 2, verse 256, in which Muhammad commands that there shall be no compulsion in religion, and to other verses.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhansrd/text/131119-gc0001.htm
Take the Daily Mirrors great UKIP fruitcake quiz – http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-made-up-take-great-ukip-3480066
What do all these crazies have in common…?
Anybody?
snafuYou see, it is upsetting when names are called – but at least what I called you was not offensive.
Now imagine I did not subvert your name but instead made it a reference to your colour.
Play nicely, Edgar.
snafuA thread to show the mindset of UKIP and its followers
UKIP has a strange set of followers, eager to demonstrate their extreme views off.
The point of this thread is to illustrate those views – if you want you may start a thread about other parties and their supporters views, but this one is all about UKIP.
No rape in marriage
Ukip donor says women cannot be raped by their husbands
Demetri Marchessini is latest supporter to plunge party into controversy as polls show party heading for election winNigel Farage faces fresh embarrassment over the controversial views of its supporters when a former Ukip donor said on television that a woman could not be raped by her husband…
…Marchessini, who previously said there was no such thing as date rape, said that rape could not take place in marriage. “There’s no such thing,” he said.
“When you get married you promise to look after the other person for the rest of their life. You certainly don’t promise that you’re going to put them in jail. If you make love on Friday and make love Sunday, you can’t say Saturday is rape. Once a woman accepts, she accepts and especially when she makes a vow on her wedding day.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/30/ukip-donor-says-women-cannot-be-raped-by-husbands
Gay men don’t love (Should we bow to his expert knowledge on the activities of homosexual relationships?)
Marchessini said that gay men are incapable of experiencing love. He said: “There’s no love, only lust, and also the physical actions that they do are completely different. They go out at night and they pick up five, ten, fifteen different partners in one night. Is that love?
“They are not husband and wife. They are roommates and both of them go out cruising. There is no such thing as fidelity in homosexual relationships. They just all go out looking for action. That’s the way it is.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/30/ukip-donor-says-women-cannot-be-raped-by-husbands
Ladies fashion
Marchessini…said women should be banned from wearing trousers because they “discourage love-making”.
Farrage embarrassed by doner’s donations
Mr Farage said: “I am sure he gave the money in good faith and it was taken in faith.”
Asked whether Ukip should be taking cash from a donor with such views, he replied: “Possibly not.”
Farage is ’embarrassed’ by his candidates – their Nazi salute photos on Facebook, extremest ‘likes’, ex-BNP organisers and a remarkable amount of social media site hacks not in their favour
Nigel Farage: Ukip has a ‘handful’ of embarrassing candidates
A few Ukip candidates have views that “don’t look very pretty” ahead of the May elections, Nigel Farage, its leader, has said.
Mr Farage admitted the party has a problem with a handful of candidates after Ukip suspended one potential councillor following reports showing a photo of him delivering a Nazi salute.
Speaking on BBC Radio Four’s Today programme, the Ukip leader said the party has had a couple of “bizarre cases”, including two former members of the BNP.
He said the party forbids ex-members of the far-right party and turns away people who appear “very, very odd”. However, Ukip most has to “take people on faith”, he added.
“We don’t have the resources to trawl through absolutely everybodyﾒs social media sites and that has led to one or two embarrassments,” he said.
Mr Farage said the case of Alex Wood, suspended for appearing to make a Nazi salute in photos, “doesn’t look very pretty”.
The party decided to suspend the 22-year-old after photos he had posted on Facebook emerged, as well as comments appearing under his name saying that Africans “lived in mud huts” and “kill each other”.
Another photo shows Mr Wood, who is a candidate in Blackmore Vale, Somerset, clenching a knife between his teeth against the backdrop of the Union flag.
Mr Wood, who denies that he posted the comments, saying his account was hacked, is the latest Ukip member to provoke controversy ahead of Thursday’s local elections.
He claimed making the fascist gesture was not racist, posting on Facebook: “Is it racist? No. It’s only racist if you consider it being racist.”
Ukip also suspended Chris Scotton a candidate in Leicester, at the weekend after it emerged that the 24-year-old backed online groups with racist views.
Mr Scotton was suspended when he “liked” a series of controversial organisations on Facebook – including the extremist English Defence League, a site that claimed racism was “ethnic banter”.
Another Ukip candidate in East Sussex, Anna-Marie Crampton, was also suspended after allegedly posting anti-Semitic comments on a website – she said her account had been hacked.
In another blow for the party, Ukip was forced to withdraw its support from Sue Bowen, a Ukip candidate in Cornwall, when it emerged that she was once a BNP activist.
It follows an outburst from Tory veteran Ken Clarke, who branded UKIP a “collection of clowns” and its voters “fruitcakes and loonies”.
Mr Farage, who was pictured shaking hands with Mr Wood, yesterday denied Ukip was a racist party. He said: “There is nothing in Ukip that is racist in any way at all and Ken Clarke knows it.”
Simon Cressy, of the anti-racism campaign Hope Not Hate, said the comments apparently made by Mr Wood were disgusting.
He said: “This shows the mindset of some of Ukip’s candidates. His language is disgusting. If UKIP doesn’t want to be seen as racist it must filter out these elements from the party.”
And here is a few more from The Spectator
Are you fit to be British? Take the Ukip test
If you believe that Ukip supporters love Britain and cannot abide Europe, look at the report by the pollster Peter Kellner in the current issue of Prospect. Ukip fears Britain has:
‘gone off the rails. Hence the fact that 57 per cent of Ukip supporters would prefer to migrate to mainland Europe if they could.’
To put it another way, no one hates his country more that the bawling patriot. The reasons for Ukip’s loathing are many, and in some instances understandable: falling living standards, politically correct double-standards, mass immigration, poor public services, political corruption and the timeless complaint of the old and disappointed that ‘things ain’t what they used to be’. I am all for a conservatism that preserves the best of the past, but to pretend that Ukip isn’t home to the worst of Britain is to be either self-serving or delusional. To then bend over backwards and say, as so many of our mainstream commentators do, that Ukip may be rough around the edges but is still a respectable movement is just asinine.
Let me spell it out: Ukip is inspired by hatred. The sight of their fellow citizens drives Ukip supporters into foaming rages or indeed to France or Spain, not arguments about the Common Agricultural Policy. Perhaps you are one of the hated. To find out, ask yourself
Are you black?
In which case, you probably should leave. After Lenny Henry complained that there were not enough black faces on television, William Henwood, a Ukip candidate in Enfield, said, ‘He should emigrate to a black country. He does not have to live with whites’.
Even those who say we should understand a little more and condemn a little less, ought to have snapped after reading this story in the Observer. I can’t think of anyone more British than Lenny Henry. Yet Ukip candidates pretend that he is an alien intruder; or argue that his citizenship is conditional on Henry doffing his cap, biting his tongue and saying nothing that might disturb foul-minded creeps.
Are you Jewish?
A web post bearing the name of Anna-Marie Crampton, a Ukip candidate in East Sussex, opined that the Second World War and the gas chambers were a Jewish conspiracy to bring about the creation of modern Israel. ‘Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers … It was thanks to them that six million Jews were murdered in the war.’ I should add that Crampton claimed that a person or persons unknown had stolen her identity.
Grant French, meanwhile, a UKIP councillor took to Twitter to say that Britain’s Jewish ‘masters’ stopped questioning of the Holocaust. Perhaps his identity was stolen too.
Are you Muslim?
You might say you are, and a law-abiding and democratic British citizen as well. But according to the Facebook page of Magnus Nielsen, a Ukip candidate in Camden, ‘Islam is organised crime under religious camouflage. Any Muslim who is not involved in organised crime is not a “true believer”, practising Islam as Mohammed commanded.’
Are you Greek – that’s right, Greek – or Turkish come to that?
David Challice, a senior party official and activist in Exeter, in his book The View From Here, quotes Brian Sewell approvingly:
‘The Greek driver seeing a dog in the road a hundred yards ahead will accelerate and do his damnedest to run it down for sport; a Turk will maintain his speed and course, and if the dog happens to be in the way, will run it over – the one is vile the other fatalistic.’
Are you the child of refugees?
Andre Lampitt, who starred in the latest Ukip party political broadcast, said of Ed Miliband, whose parents fled Nazi armies to find sanctuary here:
‘Miliband is not a real Brit. I hope he never gets to be PM! He was only born here. I believe in being British. It is earned through generations of existence not through birth.’
In the Ukip propaganda, Lampitt complained about foreign workers taking British jobs, even though he had come here from Zimbabwe. Another Ukip ‘supporter’ in the broadcast was a jobbing actor from Ireland. Farage himself decided that the best person qualified to be his secretary was his German wife. When I said Farage was England’s greatest living hypocrite, I was not overstating the case against him.
I accept that the liberal-left has used the charge of racism so promiscuously it has blunted its force and diluted its meaning. Its hyperbole has lost the left the respect of many people who now lack the ability to recognise real racists when they are in plain view.
Let me help them out: these Ukip candidates are real racists; not politically incorrect truth-tellers or ordinary, decent folk, who speak their minds, but the real thing.
So far we have been dealing only with immigrants and the descendants of immigrants – blacks, Asians, Jews, Indians, Pakistanis, Greeks and – lest we forget – Turks too. But suppose you can trace your family back to the Norman Conquest or Saxon shore? Surely, you’d be OK. But before assuming that you are a good enough Briton for Ukip, ask yourself
Are you a woman?
Stuart Wheeler, is a cadaverous gambling tycoon, and a man who would be alone in the kitchen at parties were he not stinking rich. He is stinking rich and funds Ukip, and therefore his courtiers humour him. He said that women were ‘absolutely nowhere’ when they compete with men in sports where they are not physically disadvantaged, such as chess or poker. (He should try telling that to Vicky Coren, by the way.) For this reason, ‘I would just like to challenge the idea that it is necessary to have a lot of women or a particular number on a board.’
What applies in the boardroom and at the poker school applies in Ukip. Its only female MEP, Marta Andreasen, who recently threatened to leave the party, said Farage was an ‘anti-women Stalinist dictator’. He neither liked nor respected ‘intelligent, professional’ women, she said, and thought their place was in ‘the kitchen or in the bedroom’.
Are you gay?
A UKIP councillor blamed the recent floods on the Government’s decision to legalise gay marriage. David Silvester said the prime minister had acted ‘arrogantly against the Gospel,’ and the Lord had punished the Thames Valley as a result.
Still, if you wish to save your soul and keep your neighbours dry, you could always work out. John Sullivan, a Ukip candidate, explained that physical exercise in schools can ‘prevent homosexuality’. This must be the reason, as a comic on Have I Got News for You explained, why you never see gay men in gyms.
Are you a patriot?
This may seem an odd question, but as I said earlier no one hates their country as much as the people who stomp around bellowing that they love it the most. Understand this paradox and you will understand Farage’s admiration for Putin. That MI5’s director has complained that his staff must spend so much time monitoring Russian spies, they cannot keep tabs on Islamists, does not bother Farage. That Putin has helped Assad turn Syria into a mass grave or has sent his armies into an independent European country, does not concern him either. Putin is against the European Union and that is all that matters to Farage and the leaders of Europe’s other far-right parties. (I don’t doubt that the new tsar’s persecution of homosexuals also heightens their admiration.)
Are you a member of Ukip?
You might think you would be safe then. But Ukip is Nigel Farage’s personality cult. He allows no competition and has no internal rivals who might threaten his preeminence. And as for Ukip members who talk back…The Times reported:
‘Nigel Farage and other senior Ukip officials traduced colleagues who raised concerns about how the party handled millions of pounds in funds. Mr Farage called a senior female Ukip official a “stupid woman” and told her to “shut up” when she asked for an independent audit into party finances, according to Delroy Young, formerly Ukip’s only black executive. Another member was allegedly physically threatened.’
Menahwile Marta Anderson, who complained about Farage’s Stalinism, told the BBC:
‘I’ve been bullied, in private situations, for decisions I have made by Nigel. I have been accused of being disloyal, breaching confidence and breaching my contract with the party. There’s an attitude that either you keep silent about everything that’s been going on in the party or suffer the consequences.’
Where is the opposition to this bunch of dirty old men, who are heading to victory in a national election? Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrats have at least fought back, and my colleagues on the Times and Observer have done some decent investigative journalism. But Labour stays silent because it hopes Ukip will split the Tory vote. The Tories stay silent because they fear that many of their supporters agree with Farage, and the broadcasters don’t apply the same standards they apply to other politicians because, well, Farage is a character who brightens up their dreary schedules.
Every time there is a scandal, Ukip’s opponents and the media let Farage get away with saying that the racist, sexist or gay-hating Ukip candidate is a rotten apple he will throw away.
But the scandals are so frequent you have to conclude that it is not the rotten apple that needs throwing out but the whole stinking barrel.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/04/are-you-fit-to-be-british-take-the-ukip-test/
Those last three paragraphs really do explain quite a lot.
snafuBefore you-know-who comes piling in, accusing me of all sorts
Ok Eddie, you got your jibe in: I accuse you of not ‘playing fair’, as requested by a moderator.
snafuReference the Lenny Henry comments. This ‘traffic’ does seem to be one way. If I went to a country in which I am plainly a minority and then complained that my kind are seriously under represented on TV, theatre and TV advertising so a quota system should be adopted to ensure adequate representation of the minority that I represent – I think I’d be laughed out of the country.
I bet it wouldn’t make any headlines.
I think the optimum phrase in your post is If I went…! If I went to Russia I shouldn’t be surprised if there were no programmes on TV in English or without English subtitles – your point?
Idris Elba – a big name now in the movie and theatrical world, much lauded in the US, reduced to playing mainly roles (bit parts) the equivalent of second mugger on British TV until he got the lead in Luther. Hotly tipped to be the first black James Bond. The sort of actor that Lenny Henry was saying we should be seeing more on British TV.
snafuNo, what makes you ask?
Retaliation ;o)
snafuNoted. Playing fair.
“Gotten through” – you are American?
Once again, no. Are you?;o)
snafuNo, you haven’t got through, like I seem not to have gotten through to you – but the word is still offensive, just the same.
snafuSnafu – And you wonder why you never got into movies!!:highly_amused::D
I don’t wonder. Not at all…
snafuwhat I don’t get is why can we be racist but for some reason everyone sees that them doing something to us isn’t for example if I killed an African person I would be jailed not only for murder but also for commiting a hate crime yet if an African person killed me he would only be jailed for murder and not a hate crime so I think its a stupid little word that needs to be implemented for everyone not just white ethnic people
Hate crime? (Seems like you hate punctuation…;o)
Why would you be killing that person? If it was just because of his race then you have your hate crime (see Lee Rigby, for example).
I mean no such thing, because I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.
(Helpful mode) Under your name, on each post, you are (at the moment) a Rank 5 Registered User.
Once = “repeatedly?
Three times now.
It used to be possible to buy a dye called N—– Brown, and I used that in a conversation with a (black) friend, while we were discussing the dog silliness.
Words fail me.
More assumptions, to which you’re quite welcome, but which only serve to show your ignorance of what I’m really like.
Still not answering…again.
Is the lowest form of wit.
Think you might find that imitation is the lowest form of wit…
See response immediately above, and I have no wish to “keep up” with your brand of insolence.
Somebody got out of bed the wrong side this morning…
Sarcasm really does become you.
Thank you.
I have enough commonsense not to antagonise people just for the sake of it (you should try it sometime.)
Not me – it was suggested by a friend of colour (his intention was more to show how someone intent on causing offence would be pulled up, after the riots the other year).
Hurrah for never-ending sarcasm.
(Cue applause)
Can we go back to UKIP, now you have made your feelings blatantly obvious?
snafuTo generate a world audience the story is to be transferred to the east coast of America, where the team will be recast as Auxiliary Coast Guard watching for German submarines and spies.
In addition to those already named:
Corporal Jones will become a Sun-bleached former beachboy (his mahogany-tanned face is amusingly complete with permanent sunglass silhouettes around his eyes and on his forehead) from the west coast, played with the character of a usually laid back, potentially foul-mouthed (using the weirdest of words as heavily emphasised expletives) surfer-dude who has smoked one too many of his frequently offered around (but never taken up) home-grown and very potent ‘jazz sticks’ and is prone to get excitable in the many times of crisis. He will be played by Jack Nicholson, and frequently talk about his woody much to the consternation of the others.
Pike‘s part is to be played by Robert Downey Jr, but renamed McHarry Achmed Winckelstein III, and will be portrayed as an African American whose inherited name originates with his family’s original but confused slave owner. A jibbering, whiny man-child with an unhealthy fixation on big women, Winckelstein is nevertheless fantastically brainy and many capers are to be had with the team trying to prevent him being taken away by the police (for bothering the local matrons) or by military intelligence to work on potentially war-winning projects whilst he is more eager, for example, to dress the local large ladies up as skimpily clad mermaids to entice German submarines ashore.
Godfrey will be recast as the oldest member of the unit and feature Harrison Ford, in a wheelchair and with corn-cob pipe, as a former cowboy who rode with Roosevelts Rough Riders in the Spanish–American War, with many insightful memories of the late president and namesake of the teddy bear shared through his bourbon-infused haze. In every show ‘Gabby’ will refuse to talk about the night he discovered his hero wearing a dress and makeup, despite the fact that no one asked nor is apparently interested, giving the impression that something happened and he would like it to be eked out of him.
In an enlightened effort to appeal to both men and women the part of Joe Walker will be recast as Josephine Walker, played as a siren of a different sort by Kathleen Turner. Beautiful, mature yet still in the unrealistic tight and revealing uniforms required by the (largely) male audience she frequently gets into scrapes with visiting guest stars with her inappropriate-sounding but (usually) thoroughly innocent comments.
Jimmy Frazerski will be played by Arnold Schwarzenegger as a grumpy and camp office clerk of East European descent, still living with his battleaxe mother (unseen, but voiced by Danny DeVito at his graveliest; apparently a large lady, she is one of Winckelstein’s favourites!) and his secret dreams of skipping across the set in a Busby Berkeley musical despite having two left feet and a lisp which makes his dialogue confusing to others – with hilarious consequences.
The part of Hodges the ARP warden will be recast as a reserve navy officer whose role is to make sure that coastal lights do not help U-Boats by shining out to sea, and is due to be played by Al Pacino who has asked that the character come from the Bronx and be an Italian-American. His catchphrase ‘Put that light out!‘ will now be more of a violent threat than the previous panicked squawk…
A new character will be introduced: Ensign ‘Yoyo’ Yates is eager to get involved in the war, his colleagues are eager to be rid of the annoyingly effervescent and enthusiastic, fast talking but militarily useless Yates, even his own large family (including his many sisters, a different one each week) want rid of him, but no one else wants this Eddie Murphy character! Every week he plots his escape and at the end of each episode he is waved off at the bus station, only to return at the beginning of the next with his latest hilarious tale of what caused his return.
snafu“I can imagine you sitting there, foaming from the mouth, jabbing a finger at your monitor and hammering on the keyboard!”
It was an observation, and I did ask if it was true…
Ah, I see; it’s alright for you to assume something about me, but not the other way round.
If you like. Not sure where it is written, so you’ll have to take it on the fly…
Opponent will suffice; as I said, you do not have enough status to qualify as an enemy.
You being a rank 5, you mean, and me a lowly 3…
Qualified psychiatrist, are you?
Ha, no. So no need to worry about paying for your consultation. Yet.
And maybe a word from a fellow sufferer just might help a little, but let’s think only of oneself.
You do not know me, you will not know me and for that I shall be forever thankful. Just what exactly are you doing a wonderful job of assuming I was ‘suffering’ from?
It does seem strange that you are stirring up trouble on this thread by – being a troll – repeatedly dragging Linc’s thread in and calling me selfish in an attempt to get a reaction.
If you think that doing so is in any way helping him then you are surely deluded.
We all have had problems over the years – it is called life and it is something we have to deal with, one way or another. Some can ask for help from people they don’t know and others can not. Either way I wish him all the best; if there was anything I could do I would at the drop of a hat, but my own ‘lifeskills’ are not going to help him at this moment.
Hang on, this sounds strangely like finger trouble, and it ain’t mine…
Yet another assumption; I do not “happily offend” anyone (I leave that to agitators like you.) I can, though, regret that misuse of the word has led to its fall from legitimate use.
Misuse by…who? It is an offensive word: There is now no way on earth that you can incorporate it into a conversation with people you are not familiar with without them drawing conclusions about you for using it. Under those circumstances the only person who be misusing the word would be you. Can you come up with a legitimate use for that word, one that doesn’t cause offense or rouse a moderators ire?
Do stop stirring, there’s a good boy.
I’m stirring and you aren’t answering a simple question. Guess you might be hiding your feelings by being patronising and not answering…
I already have; there are some of us who can discuss this with “them,” because they know I genuinely want to know how they feel.
‘Them‘? Good grief. Did you use your special voice for the hard of understanding as well?[/sarcasm]
But well done you(!), although I cannot call your bluff due to the nature of the question (it being on a thread in a forum). I can tell you that mine were not happy with the way the ‘n’ word has been bandied around and were quite uninterested in its history. Out of interest I had to explain about ‘kaffir’ which, although they’d heard it, was taken as a stereotypical slur rather than something deeply offensive. Incidentally it was one of my friends who showed me the king-thing in a book on racism in society.
Then why use a word you would never use, which has to be a classic case of double standards. Interesting that I am now the provocative one.
Maybe you are tired but I have already stated that I was using that to illustrate the changing of language… Do keep up.
And since when have royalty been known for having finer feelings for any of the lower strata of the populace?
Dregs of society was the term you used, I believe. They come from both high and low social orders – another attempt at illustration of a point that appears to have gone right over your head, I’m afraid.
And still you assume, with no evidence whatsoever, but, if you wish to believe the worst of someone who doesn’t immediately kowtow and genuflect in front of your eminence, who am I to protest against it?
I do not need you to kowtow, genuflect, whatever. If you want evidence then walk down Brixton high street loudly using that word and sooner rather than later – if you do not look too threatening – you will engage in a conversation with someone from an ethnic minority about what that word means to them (if you look threatening you would probably ‘converse’ with several, followed by the police, who will be happy to restore peace and harmony to the area). The ‘kowtowing’ has been done by them for several decades, where they have endured racial taunts with little response from the police and just had to ‘suck it up’. Recently there has been more of a willingness to show that they do not have to accept that they are second class people and hide their feelings.
In the first part:- Offended by its overuse, in fact, which shows a particular lack of imagination on the part of modern writers, but have no issue with its use (in the right context and male company, only) in times of high stress (used it myself, but usually under my breath, or when alone.)
Hurrah for you…!
But I mentioned it because the offence that the ‘n’ word causes can be just as offensive as the ‘f’ word in the wrong location.
In the second part, you’re assuming (yet again.) I have no wish for a word to be “reclaimed,” if it offends, but I’m perfectly free (however it might hurt your sensibilities) to regret its demise in normal everyday life.
So, again, when would you use that word, with all its offensive and racist baggage, in normal everyday life?
snafuOh, and I was joking about Russel Brand as Pike.
snafuThe new St Trinity’s movies…
You didn’t really take to either the originals or the remakes, did you…?;o)
(It’s St Trinians! Were you thinking of Trinity in the Matrix flicks?)
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