The ‘test piece’ statement is true and correct – but it was the elevator.
We were genuinely unsure as to whether our processes would work on the thin material (24 & 26 swg Alclad in many cases), whether we could weld it, make it workable, what types of corrosion we faced and whether we could get around those issues so the test piece was agreed and successfully accomplished.
There is absolutely no facility to replicate our work at FAAM and we currently have everything from Frame-12 (just forward of the TAG’s cockpit) all the way to the back of the plane. It’s hardly a test piece, is it.
I’d imagine it has more to do with people asking for their donations back, but never mind.
And, seeing as we don’t want to be as they are, and because we’re up for keeping our side of the deal, I’m off down to the workshop in a few minutes to do some work on that half-finished leading edge.
There’s no need to kidnap the project.
They asked us to mend an iconic object and we accepted. Or, put the other way, we offered to mend it and they accepted.
They get the world’s one and only Barracuda resurrected from only original material (and the only new material in the whole build thus far is rivets and those nuts and bolts we were unable to salvage) and we get both a follow-on project to Bluebird plus the kudos of another unique build.
There always was the intention to enter into a contract, it just seemed something to do tomorrow for so long and when it finally rose to the top of the pile it needed some careful thought whereupon panic set in but the intention was always there.
Where I’m going with this is that we don’t have to kidnap the project because we own it already.
Look at it from the other side of the table. Suppose the museum had geared up a huge marketing effort based on the ground-breaking conservation project they’d initiated and it featured in bids for this or that and in their package of showing off what they had going on… It should already, but it doesn’t. And then, disaster, we decided we just weren’t bothered any more and would they please come and get their scrap out of our workshop. They could have so much riding on this that our failure would hurt them badly, which is why a system has grown up to keep such things fair and, whether they like it or not, whether it’s written down or not, we do in fact have a contract.
The tail is a perfect test case – both parties delivered on what was promised and the fuselage is even more interesting. This time they had to break up assembled parts purely on our promise that we would mend them and we made that promise based on a belief gained from building the tail.
The bottom line is that they are not in a position to simply pull the plug without considering their contractual partners. They can ask to be released, or we can choose to release them of our own volition, but they can’t just throw a hissy-fit and take their ball home so we’ll see what happens this coming week.
We don’t want a trial by forum or heated arguments, we just want the truth in the public domain and to let everyone know what’s going on. That was the purpose of the original statement – to let those people who were mailing to find out when the next instalment was due know what was happening. There’s a diary piece now written with all the detail but I’d rather do a new on for January detailing how we mended the other leading edge, this time without the dreaded filler. That would be much more interesting, I’m sure everyone would agree.
May I also take the opportunity to point out that I am working hard behind the scenes to find a resolution to all of this and it is being done privately. I hope that everyone understands that sometimes more can be achieved without every point being publicly dissected and each misstep being examined under the lens and I hope that in the not too distant future we will be in a position to announce something a little more uplifting.
Absolutely. And that alone is worth documenting in permanent form.
Whatever happens, we’ll be leaving the website live until the end of time. Let’s hope that it records current events as no more than a lovers’ spat and we see lots more tin-bashing on our poor little Barra’.
We’re always short of 2BA anchor nuts and 1/4BSF anchor nuts for Bluebird. We can even pay for them nowadays.
Hi All,
Here’s a stupid question but I think is warranted just the same, this project has effectively been scuppered by insurance so:- When the FAAM decide to come an collect this piece of history who will insure the Collection/Removal and Transport to the aircrafts final destination ?
Surely they will have to pay another block of insurance to cover all this so would it not simply be more prudent to pay the needed insurance that is holding the restoration up rather than pay the extra costs of employing the following:- Staff to evacuate said airframe (As I assume because the Bluebird’s staff will not be insured to touch her again ?)/Drivers/Vehicle Hire/Fuel for said Vehicles/Meals for Staff over at least two days unless you employ two drivers for each vehicle to cover the limited driving and working hours of the drivers which I would assume would be near enough the cost of the insurance pay out if tragedy struck the airframe and parts during it’s removal ?Geoff.
In actual fact, the Barra’ parts have always been at the FAAM’s risk because they first shoved their contract across the desk in April 2012 but didn’t come asking about it again until Sept / Oct 2014 (none of this nonsense about ‘trying to negotiate’ or anyone being ‘reluctant to sign’), and the tenancy agreement for the workshop winged itself their way in November 2012 but both just went away in a drawer and were never signed at the time.
What’s important is that in their contract it said we had to insure their scrap and in the tenancy agreement it said that the fabric of the building would be covered and insuring the contents were their look-out. Now here’s the point – because the tenancy agreement came after the FAAM contract it trumps theirs in law and is deemed to have been accepted on the grounds that they didn’t dispute it at the time so, in actual fact, we were never liable to pay their insurance and they had no right asking.
They also have to issue three month’s notice to quit to be released from that particular contract so we might just start the project up again after the Christmas and finish the tail so we can wheel it out of there, heads held high, knowing we finished what we started – we have until March, after all.
I will also be asking the Bluebird project to substantiate their claims made here as well.
Please, ask away…
Well Bill if the FAAM don’t want you I know another museum in Somerset which would be only too pleased to give you another rare lump of an historic aircraft to restore, not so much twisted but definitely corroded and damaged….!
We have a few pieces of people’s aeroplanes in to be mended but if the FAAM do ship out we’ll be in the market for a good follow-on project. The thing with the Blubird Project is that it’s so much a part of our lives it’s as much a social thing as a project to build a machine and the idea of that whole enterprise suddenly coming to an end and each of us sitting around the house when we should be in the workshop is just unthinkable. The Barra’ project is perfect – a unique vehicle, the only one of its type, we’re back on familiar territory with the same amount of satisfaction up for grabs and a timeframe that’ll see us going for a good few years yet. (What was all that bolleaux about Yeovilton turning out a Barra’ in five to six years, by the way? They have to be kidding.) We’re just going to have to see which way the wind blows these next few weeks.
Indeed it is shameful, but at least Mr Mottram removed his own sting in fine style today, which is a shame because I’ve met him on many occasions and always found him to be a proper gentleman. However, since his credibility disappeared around the U-bend, hope springs eternal because there remain people at the museum who do know how to negotiate in the proper sense… I’ll not name names except perhaps for Dave Morris who treads the interface of common sense and weapons-grade bell-endery with consummate skill. So, tomorrow, I will look for an olive branch long enough to extend from the Tyne all the way to Somerset and see if anyone cares to grasp the other end. You never know – there’s still an exciting amount of part-built Barra’ in the shop next door and that only needs the lights and heating turned on and the ceaseless nattering of the Barra Babes. I always was an optimist.
All very peculiar as it says on their main ‘save the Barra’ page…
‘The Bluebird Project team relies on a workforce of highly skilled volunteers’
And on the Just Giving page…
‘We’re off the starting blocks but we have a long way to go. Our sincere thanks to everyone who has donated so far and to the Bluebird Project Team’s amazing volunteers.’
Nothing has changed.
Had an interesting little interview on BBC radio this morning in the course of which the FAAM once again attempted to deny our status as volunteers, claimed we’d been ‘reluctant’ to sign a contract for two years that they only really asked for in October after their AGM where all was wonderful and said they might consider speaking with us again following a suitable cooling off period… of a couple of years!
I reiterated that we are more than happy to sign an appropriate contract, our only stipulations being that we are recognised as volunteers and we don’t pay their insurance. That we are more than happy to come to the negotiating table even now and, following that, to continue the work. But when put in a corner the museum simply said they wouldn’t come to the table – but don’t worry, work will continue at Yeovilton, apparently, and within five to six years we’ll see a complete Barracuda. Mike is going to capture a copy of the interview and post a link to it later.
By the way, Bruce – thanks for these words. It means a lot the way things are at the moment.
For the top guys at the museum that we know are reading this:
Poor form. If you want to stop the project, for pity’s sake be up front about it. Don’t try and foist the blame on people who would do you no harm. The power of enthusiasts like us should never be underestimated. If things have gone wrong, you can only blame yourselves, not a group of well meaning, and hard working volunteers.
I fear that the AGM minutes are very telling.
The Barracuda Project is progressing well, with the tail section nearing completion. This can be viewed on the website. The project is expected to take four to five years to reach completion.
Progressing well, of course it was and the fuselage was crated and ready to come North and not a word about troublesome contractual negotiations. The four to five years thing doesn’t mean anything, by the way, it was an arbitrary value decided on at the outset that just hasn’t been revised. But look at what it says immediately below.
NMRN Reorganisation
The functional organisation for the National Museums of the Royal Navy (NMRN) is now in place, although some relationship problems remain to be solved. Unfortunately, this re-organisation has led to some redundancies in the FAAM.
I rather suspect that deep amongst that outwardly innocuous sentence lies our smoking gun…