Agreed, amazing job. That looks like it would be a handful!
No but the Americans are anal about such things and the MoD is too limp wristed to stand up and insist on a little common sence.
If we’re talking about Phantom FG.1 XT597 then there may be some special circumstances. As she was the test airframe and used exclusively for trails and test work she was never formally taken on charge by the RAF and I believe she is therefore not subject to any of the issues surrounding the arms limitation treaties etc that have been used as an excuse to prevent private ownership of other UK phantoms. I am not sure of the exact details as this info comes from a conversation I had with a senior officer at Boscombe years ago. It may however explain how this might just indeed be possible.
If his son isn’t too attached to it for sentimental reasons I’d say offer him £50. Its a respectable amount for it so you won’t insult him. Besides if you are a long term friend of his fathers he may just offer it to you as a gift and a momento to his memory.
Dawlish airshow today.
That wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular BTW
I don’t care 🙂 I just appreciate the time, effort and huge sums of money that some people put into the rebuilding or reproduction of these aircraft so that we in the younger generations get an opportunity to see hear and smell them in action. If someone announced tomorrow that they had been secretly building a typhoon using a bit of old mangled cockpit as a start point and had rebuilt the rest to manufacturers spec and it would be flying this summer I would be frankly extatic.
As long as people don’t try to claim provenance in order to fraudulently increase the value of the item I don’t see what the issue is. If you want to see originality then go to a museum like the RAFM. There are examples sat right there to go and look at. If you want to see them in the air doing what they were designed to do, take off your anorak, put down the notepad and biro, shut up, smile, and just watch.
Well some of their best pilots will get a nice close up view at the RIAT.
I think a major issue is that the collection was never given the green light to be housed where it is in any fashion in the first place. I would love to see planning granted but just because we are sympathetic to the issue shouldn’t allow our judgement to become clouded. I couldn’t buy the field behind my house and fill it full of aircraft or cars etc. Nor can gypsies buy green belt land and set up camp (yes I know they do but they do eventually get evicted at great expense!) legally.
I think Mr Vallance has spent far too long pi**ing far too many local planners off to ever get planning for a development like that. It would also be interesting to know how they plan to raise £6-8M. One would guess if he had that kind of cash in his back pocket a few very special handshakes would have had his museum approved years ago.
The number of people that could tell the difference between a real Ferrari and a replica such as those made by super replicas is small. Doesn’t mean Ferrari would want one in a museum.
Besides if it were such a rare, important, pivotal piece of aviation history why have they had such trouble giving it away free? Not even the French seem to want it and it actually has some historical value to them.
Anyone know which hurricane that is?
We do seem to be going round in circles, I think we are all going to have to agree to disagree or partly agree or agree or just go and find a nice pub and try to forget about it for a while.
Apologies.
The CAA will find this a trivial incident. There is no track record of this happening before with TVOC -the crew shut her down at the first sign of trouble and the appropriate steps were taken.
I work with frontline aircraft – people make mistakes no matter who operates them.
I am a little surprised to see you say that. Since when was one mistake or oversight acceptable? How many aircraft have been written off or lost in flight and how many lives lost over the years as the result of a ‘minor’ oversight. I don’t think anyone would be saying that if ‘558 was a smouldering crater off the end of doncasters runway right now. No track record of previous incidents is not an excuse to let it slide, once is enough.
It appears the flight crew did their job perfectly but no more or less than expected. Their actions after the incident have absolutely no relevance to the issues that caused it.
Actually I think finger pointing is ok. In an organisation such as TVOC working with a complex type they should have procedures in place to ensure this can never happen. Check list and procedures not being followed isn’t going to go down well with the CAA.