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  • in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2126917
    Y-20 Bacon
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    aww, no clearer pics of the j-31 yet?

    in reply to: How successful was the Su-47 Berkut? #2126921
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    well lolek, how successful it was depends on what they were trying to achieve.
    besides the nature of fsw, were they testing anything else? i.e. radars, missiles, bays, etc?

    also anyone know why one boom is longer than the other?

    in reply to: Official List of Aircraft Price thread #2128626
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    Spoiler alert! All deals with different customers include varying equipment, support, conditions, training packages.

    You cannot extrapolate a sales package from one nation to another (even within the same contest as MMRCA showed). Even the SH sale to Australia wasn’t simply a contract for 24 block II aircraft, look at the FMS proposal.
    Exercise in futility this is.

    Looking at what what the producers sell via contract to national services gives a vague comparison. I.E: Rafale contracts to AdlA, F-35 to parter nations, Gripen to Sweden, allow for some rough comparisons, with caveats.

    Not suprising, even those are difficult to compare as different services negotiate contracts with national producers based on a myriad of stipulations (GFE, separate contracts for maintenance, ancillary equipment, on and on)

    The U.S. PAUC method, giving weapon system cost is probably the most representative of what it costs a nation to develop, and field a new aircraft. It does not do a great job of representing cost to a foreign user and favors those with a large order book and long production run, however.

    but there are some people who are so sure certain aircraft must be cheaper than another one

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2128636
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    2 x 1200 l ?

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]250359[/ATTACH]

    based on your estimates do you think the fc-31/j-31 can fit in a kuznetsov elevator?

    in reply to: Official List of Aircraft Price thread #2128646
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    ok links are added (but they numbers were easy to be found, if you simply googled them you lazy guys).
    but that said, i wont add any new aircraft and numbers unless you provide links.

    other wise all I see are a bunch of people whining because their favorite aircraft is not matching with the numbers they want.

    as for the comment about the years.. most of these deals were within the last 5 years. they are not that far apart.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2128978
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    I have already explained my line of reasoning and to me it makes perfect sense.. If it still doesn’t get into your melon, I can’t be of any more help..

    please see the new thread with numerous examples.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2129021
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    um, yes, F-18 is indeed the cheapest twin engine fighter in US,
    the others being F-15 & F-22, and the now retired F-14.
    fuel consumption dont differ much from rafale, but munitions is significantly cheaper

    this exactly.

    The anti-F-35 (which some of which are also the pro-rafale) group tend to argue the following

    1. If the F-35 quote is cheaper than the Rafale, then the F-35 quote is faulty. and either doesn’t contain the price for all the other stuff, is an outdated quote, or a bad quote all together
    2. If the Rafale quote is cheaper than F-35, it is accurate and fair. Totally ignores all the issues of the above quote.
    3. None of them have any idea of the F-18 quote.

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2129076
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    I’m surprised: J-20 was sold by a lot of western commentators as a long range interceptor instead of a true fighter with a fuel to weight ratio much superior to the one of F-22A, that was instead criticized for being quite short legged.
    Now instead first wing load is made of 4 big fuel tanks , enough to spoil RCS.

    the expectation of the j-20 being able to fly to Hawaii with 4 fuel tanks was unrealistic to begin with.
    Not even the F-106 or MiG-31 could do that with out full fuel tanks AND inflight refueling. It won’t do it on internal fuel tanks and 4 cans. and it’d be a one way mission.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2129366
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    so more or less, you guys (just the anti-f-35 or pro rafale crowd) are cherry picking which quotes

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2129369
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    This would give us an useful reference for get the J-20 exact lenght.
    For the rest, how far PLAAf want to go with such a configuration? Attacking Pearl harbour from Mainland China ?

    I don’t think people know what the range of the J-20 is
    assuming its the same as the Flanker, plus four extra tanks. it barely has enough to reach Pearl Harbor. definitely can’t return home. perhaps good enough for a suicide attack.
    but normally the PLAAF uses their J-8s for that, not J-20.

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2129578
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    Most likely correct but this is a BS picture.. showing most likely a Russian Su-35S landing for Zhuhai Air Show

    I think you’re right. after googling zhuhai and su-35, found similar ones.
    China wins this round.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2129581
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    Until proven otherwise, i call obvious BS on that picture.

    1; It has a Russian flag on the vertical tail. 2013 batch had that.
    2; Rectangle on the tail is covering an area in size that is about right for a red RuAF star, not PLAAF symbol…
    3; Flare boxes on top instead of the underside of the stinger says this is a pre-2014 frame. IE again, 2013 frame.
    4; No alcohol bottle on the front lg door which started from 2016 frames, again, old ass frame that has no relevance to PLAAF frame.

    Sigh. Really? I mean, really? At best this is a “trainer” or some sort of support plane, not an actual frame for China. If the date on the picture is correct at all, which is not necessarily true.

    I think you’re right. after googling zhuhai and su-35, found similar ones.
    China wins this round.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2129625
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0gRuEuWQAAbuAr.jpg:large

    PLAAF finally received their first Super Flanker!

    many Chinese are happy this year for Uncle Putin has gifted them their new #1 strongest fighter.

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2129629
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    Su-35 arrives in CHINA!!!

    so, will all the nay-sayers finally believe it now?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0gRuEuWQAAbuAr.jpg:large

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2129914
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    The kill marking on T-38 fusalege belong to the F-22 and F-16:
    http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/199958/modules/forum/attachments/a_1393497065.jpg

    After 1 hour of Google Fu. Turn out some 4.5 generation aircraft got even lamer defeat than F-35. Do you know that F-4 shot down Rafale 5 times in Finisian flag ?
    http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/29469246/images/1389581456461.jpghttps://s23.postimg.org/an7qgcg23/Rafale_vs_F_4.jpg
    http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/yellow07_01/PhotoHandlerashx.jpg

    http://www.cavok-aviation-photos.net/FF2008.html
    http://loucosporaeromodelismo.com.br/2010/11/f-4-phantom-teria-vencido-rafale-no-frisian-flag/

    he might say rafale eater, but he’s really shooting down typhoons

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