J-20 having more control and lifting surface compared to its size? Where do you get that from?

Complete nonsense. Soviet air defense relied primarily on the MiG-31 which has had greater radar range, accuracy and reliability than anything else in existence at that time and has been specially focused on look-down interception of targets against ground clutter.

if the F-14 gets criticized for its AWG-9 and Phoenix combo against fighter sized targets, what makes the MiG-31 and R-33 combo any better?

This bugged me a bit so investigated further:

Seahawk Puma Mi-17

cabin volume
396cf 474cf 812cf

cabin length
12.6ft 22.3ft 20.9ft

cabin width
7ft 5.4ft 7.7ft

I was wrong – somehow I remember Blackhawk to be bigger in size than a Puma. I see Pumas often and have seen Mi-8 often in the past. Blackhawks only a few times at airshows.

your numbers are problematic because they are totally off, look at the middle one with the bottom one, huge difference
second some are not even in the same unit. if you’re going to compare them, make it the same.
finally, I’ve a feeling you took those numbers from that axl site, which is has bad info.

Manufacturer & Model ASCC Codename
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Bell P-39 Airacobra ‘Fred’

Chengdu J-7 ‘Fishbed’
Chengdu J-10 ‘Firebird’
Chengdu J-20 ‘Farfetch’
Chengdu FC-1/JF-17 ‘Super-7’

Lavochkin La-7 ‘Fin’
Lavochkin La-9 ‘Fritz’
Lavochkin La-11 ‘Fang’
Lavochkin La-15 ‘Fantail’

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-9 ‘Fargo’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 ‘Fagot’ (originally ‘Falcon’)
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17 ‘Fresco’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-19 ‘Farmer’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 ‘Fishbed’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21-2000 ‘LanceR’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis/21 UPG ‘Bison’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23/27 ‘Flogger’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23PD ‘Faithless’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 ‘Foxbat’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-27 ‘Flogger-D’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29/30/35 ‘Fulcrum’
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-31 ‘Foxhound’
Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-2A ‘Faceplate’
Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-150/15 ‘Flipper’
Mikoyan-Gurevich 1-42 ‘Foxglove’
Mikoyan-Gurevich 1-44 ‘Flatpack’

Nanchang Q-5/A-5 ‘Fantan’ (China)

Shenyang J-5 ‘Fresco’ (China)
Shenyang J-6 ‘Farmer’ (China)
Shenyang J-8 ‘Finback’ (China)
Shenyang J-11 ‘Flanker-B+’
Shenyang J-15 ‘Flanker-D’
Shenyang J-16 ‘Flanker-E’

Sukhoi Su-7/17/20/22 ‘Fitter’
Sukhoi Su-9/11 ‘Fishpot’
Sukhoi Su-15 ‘Flagon’
Sukhoi Su-24 ‘Fencer’
Sukhoi Su-25/28 ‘Frogfoot’
Sukhoi Su-27/30/35 ‘Flanker’
Sukhoi Su-30MKI/35 ‘Super Flanker’
Sukhoi Su-33 ‘Flanker-D’
Sukhoi Su-32/34 ‘Fullback’
Sukhoi Su-37 ‘Terminator’
Sukhoi Su-47 ‘Firkin’
Sukhoi Su-50 ‘Flyhalf (many Russian fans believe it to be ‘Firefox’)

Tupolev Tu-10 ‘Frosty’
Tupolev Tu-128 ‘Fiddler’

Yakovlev Yak-9 ‘Frank’
Yakovlev Yak-15/17 ‘Feather’
Yakovlev Yak-23 ‘Flora’
Yakovlev Yak-25/27 ‘Flashlight’
Yakovlev Yak-28P ‘Firebar’
Yakovlev Yak-36 ‘Freehand’
Yakovlev Yak-38 ‘Forger’
Yakovlev Yak-41/141 ‘Freestyle’ (originally ‘Fulmar’)

Xi’an JH-7 / JH-7A ‘Flounder’ (China)

FULCRUM-A MiG-29UB/UBT
FULCRUM-B MiG-29C
FULCRUM-C MiG-29S/SD/SE, MiG-29SM/SMT
FULCRUM-D MiG-29K/MiG-29KUB
FULCRUM-E MiG-29M/ME/MT, MiG-29N, MiG-29MRCA/M/M2
FULCRUM-F MiG-29OVT, MiG-35

FLANKER-A T-10 prototype
FLANKER-B Su-27/Su-27SK (J-11)
FLANKER-C Su-27UB/UBK
FLANKER-D Su-27K/Su-33 (incl. J-15 now?)
FLANKER-E Su-27M (Su-35, Su-37, J-16 now?)
FLANKER-F Su-27PU (Su-30), Su-30K/KN, Su-30M
FLANKER-G Su-30MKK, Su-30MK2, Su-30M2
FLANKER-H Su-30MKI, Su-30MKM, Su-30MKA, Su-30SM2
FULLBACK Su-27IB (Su-32, Su-34)

OK so I was right, Fox Glove IS the correct code name, but Kens one is also correct.
However if you google it, Foxglove is far more used, but Flatpack usually goes back to the same source, which is Ken.

don’t shoot the messenger

http://www.janes.com/article/65276/airshow-china-2016-j-20-cameo-generates-more-questions-than-answers

This has generated a number of questions as to why the aircraft made a rather timid cameo appearance at China’s one and only national air show.

“Lack of experience with the aircraft and therefore concern about a mishap cannot be considered a valid reason,” said a Russian aerospace executive at the show.

Hi All,
EAP all the way for me looks a lot better than the Typhoon that we have now, didn’t the pilot say after the 1st flight it was an excellent aircraft ?

Honestly not only that, but quite possibly, it would’ve been further developed by now as the UK and BAe wouldn’t have to deal with all the needs and demands of Germany. They’d have full control over it and we wouldnt be in this situation today.

I grew up on the standardised* reporting names so that’s what I prefer

To the extent that I tend to zone out when reading the (quite legitimate and nothing wrong with them at all) local names

*I never knew that they weren’t NATO reporting names, so something new learned today

yes, they are still issuing nato reporting names to new aircraft

su-34 = fullback
mig1.44 = fox glove
su-37 = firkin
t-50 = flyhalf
j-10 = firebird
j-20 = farfetch
y-20 = combo

The Mirage 4000 would have been a superb aircraft aircraft. Mirage 4000N would have been a superb deep strike fighter & the 4000-5 a superb multi role fighter.

F23 would have been great too.

Nic

Mirage 4000 or Rafale.
you can only choose one, which would you choose?