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October 22, 2016 at 11:52 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2185851

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from Tango’s post (he’s a completely neutral, non biased contributor)

By 1990, the technical sophistication of the PLA had deteriorated to the degree that Iraqi forces enjoyed a considerable advantage over their Chinese counterparts.

The Iraqi Air Force included MiG-23s, MiG-25s and MiG-29s, while the PLAAF relied on Chinese-produced copycats of the MiG-21, as well as older aircraft such as the MiG-19. Similarly, the Iraqi air defense system, which had failed to incur major damage on waves of attacking American aircraft, was at least as sophisticated as the systems China was capable of employing.

The Chinese had also discovered, through access to Iraqi tanks captured by the Iranians in the Persian Gulf War, that the Iraqi T-72s that presented no challenge whatsoever to the U.S. Army — and were considerably superior to extant Chinese tanks.

the problem therein lies that their latest type 99s are derived heavily from the T-72s

October 22, 2016 at 11:22 pm in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2186037

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This is the YF 23 production blueprint.

Clearly both the YF 23 and the Pak Fa are designed specifically to be stealth 5th gen aircraft. To assume that both design teams built in a potentially fatal stealth flaw just isn’t reasonable.

To be consistent, you would have to believe that it is “still tbd” for the YF 23 too. Is that what you believe ?

you can see the yf-23’s ducts here

its quite curved but very short

October 22, 2016 at 11:18 pm in reply to: which European country will produce the next manned 5th or 6th generation fighter #2186088

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I suspect you are right.
Sweden has a wonderful postwar record in fighter design, extremely impressive in fact..
Tunnan, Lansen, Draken, Viggen, Gripen.. pound-for-pound probably the most impressive record of all.

But you do wonder what will follow the Gripen, powerpoint displays notwithstanding.

personally would love a design that looks like a stealthy draken. it already has an s-duct of sorts, and a wide blended body should be able to accommodate some internal bays

October 22, 2016 at 11:17 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2186092

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The J 20 is way bigger than Pak Fa or Raptor and is about the same length as the Mig 1.44. And I wonder why that is…

and why is that

October 22, 2016 at 11:16 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2186119

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ahem…you might want to fix that link bacon

ok sexy I will!

October 22, 2016 at 11:09 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2186144

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More french kisses to my best troll 😀

On a side note, slightly off topic but can anyone share me a link with F-22 carrying 4 fuel tanks? I believe it did carry it during tests.

love that tongue of yours 😉

and here you go

October 22, 2016 at 11:07 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2186199

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Deino….don’t take it to heart, especially his personal criticism of you.
Over the years I’ve enjoyed your input, as I’m sure many others have, and you have published some wonderful books on Chinese aviation.

I don’t think Y-20 Bacon is being serious….in fact, even when he was F-18 Hamburger almost 20 years ago on this forum, he was much the same.
I think he provokes to get a discussion going.;)

he’s easily excitable these days and addicted to me! yum

October 22, 2016 at 1:01 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2187613

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Here is a rough comparison. Length is for J-10A. J-10B/C are lightly shorter from what I heard.

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great thanks. good work on finding all the accurate measurements on the j-10 and j-20.
always proving the bots wrong!

October 22, 2016 at 9:05 am in reply to: Types of combat jet inlets, what are your favorites, and the pros and cons #2188011

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This is an internet “urban legend”. The F-23 proposal had DSI and it could go Mach2+

some time ago, Obligatory or JSR made a model of the F-23 based on the production model blue print
it was concluded it wasn’t a DSI but more like a shock cone.

October 22, 2016 at 8:43 am in reply to: Types of combat jet inlets, what are your favorites, and the pros and cons #2188061

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F-14 got it right on all counts. The intakes dont blend in with the fuselage and take up fuel space. Angle of intakes handles high AoA and is low drag. The upper part of the intakes blend in with LERX. The engines are not part of the fuselage and so the fuselage forms a lifting body that greatly stabilizes the a/c in high AoA. The space between the engines form a channel that prevents side slipping. And of course the russians copied all of this with their Mig-29 and su-27 series.

yes, definitely.
Honestly, I’ve always thought the Pak-fa looks like a 5th gen F-14, with its large lerx, somewhat similar intakes and arrangements.

October 22, 2016 at 8:19 am in reply to: battle of the sexiest: Rafale or Pak-fa? #2188131

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That Rafale in Jolly Rogers scheme looks great, but I can’t get over its tiny nose. Does not look right on a fighter at all.

maybe it is the angle, the grey nose kind of blends in with the grey deck

how about this Rafale in Indian (native american) colors

granted it can’t all be as well endowed as the size of a Russian.

October 22, 2016 at 7:52 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2188151

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very useful graphic! didn’t realize the j-20 and mig 1.44 sizes were so similar.

do one for the 4th gen with the j-10, mig-29 and f-16

October 22, 2016 at 3:29 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2188491

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I am no chinabot buy you are freaking 1st class idiot/troll.

why should I buy me?

October 22, 2016 at 2:07 am in reply to: JF-17 vs Mirage F-1 ASTRAC #2188674

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agreed, the two largest military aviation industries, the US and China know DSI is whats up.

no. US uses DSI on the f-35 because the F-35 is first and foremost a strike aircraft, with a very good a2a capability second.
china uses DSI simply because the US does it. that is why they put it on everything.
if Northrop or Boeing decides one day to use 3 engined fighters, you can be sure China will do the same thing and put it on everything.

October 22, 2016 at 2:04 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2188675

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Mhmm, okay then.

I’m not sure why J-10s length would be under dispute or why either side would be interested in disputing for or against it in the first place, but I suppose anything can happen here.

yeah, i agree it really shouldn’t be that interesting to dispute.
but for some reason Chinabots like deino, foxmulder and byoin and Russia stronk like JSR and KGB bust a nut when their favorite aircraft is called out for being too long or too short, or too straight or too curved.

you don’t see the America #1 or France est Grande crowd caring much about it. probably some 3rd world mentality about wanting to be close to western sizes.
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