my favorite were the west german era ones


About Royalties, I think this was addressed many years ago. Shengyang is a state owned company. The Chinese MoD paid Sukhoi a hefty figure for license-production J-11.
Now does anyone here think Sukhoi did not have the forsight to ink down a few protocols??China can NEVER export any Flanker.
They have their export, JF-17, with Russian engines..
I think China are in a hurry to leave both the Russian Flanker and engines behind..Something easier said than done..
(The Su-35 deal looming behind the curtain)
what about the carrier version.
they went around Sukhoi and reversed engineered a Ukrainian aircraft instead.
in the end Iran certainly wanted lots of Sukhois, but not 30s, but SSJs lol
SMH more of Obama’s failed Iran policy.
On his watch Irans has nukes, Su-30s and S-300s
hey that is a misleading article. they misrepresented the Iranian source they referred to.
The original source said the Iranian delegation looked at the Sukhoi and actually said they did NOT discuss sales.
oh yeah, in July Iran did mention interest in stealth..
Pak-fa and Iran.. make it happen
India wouldn’t mind since both India and Iran don’t like Pakistan or PLA-MK2
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disagree about that statement on the switch from all around stealth to just frontal.
quite a number of designs continued using F-22 or similar 2-D butts in their design.
the only reason why others continue using traditional 3d ones is because they can’t or decided not to.




Hard to say, contract-wise, but without Russian consent it would be considered at least unethical.
I guess a question would be, at where do we draw the line between Flanker variant vs new aircraft.
Chinese have a tendency to do gradual evolutions rather than a big revolution.
their entire tank line from the Type 99 are all descended from gradual updates of the basic T-55 tank frame, but no one is going to say the Type 99 is a T-55 variant.
Ignoring all the bigoted, alarmist, and simply ludicrous posts that constitute most of this thread, with the easing of sanctions Iran will undoubtedly at some point seek to recapitalise its air force.
Su-30 is undoubtedly one candidate the job, but not an ideal one. As a large aircraft it will have high acquisition and, more importantly, operating costs, whilst its long range will arouse anxiety throughout the region.
Long-term, Iran should seek to operate two types of combat aircraft from independent vendors — probably Russia and China. Given that J-10 cannot today be regarded as an entirely independent aircraft, I think this puts MiG-35 in the box seat, with Iran as perhaps the major customer for the type outside RuAF. Looking further afield, Iran could then supplement with J-31 at the appropriate juncture.
nah. there are news that Iran is looking at J-10s.
earlier this year they also said they are mass producing Saeghe fighters.. that’s the F-5 with boxy intakes and twin canted tails. The Iranians claim its capable as the Hornet, which is J-10 class.. so theoretically they can produce their own fighter (i doubt its as capable to be honest).
supposedly they’re also close to being able to reproduce most of the F-14 now too.
are there any pics of F-14s deployed to Vietnam? supposedly there were 2 squadrons at the end of the war.
SMH more of Obama’s failed Iran policy.
On his watch Irans has nukes, Su-30s and S-300s
probably unlikely. Russia and Iran are not super best friends. They regard Russia as the lesser Satan.
If you read many other analyst reports on the Syrian war, they regard Russia’s entry into it is not because of the US per say, but because of Iran.
Syria was Russia’s buddy, but Iran is coming in and saying “we’re a more reliable friend, we can provide boots on the ground”. Russia is trying to woo them back.
But you’re slowly starting to lose it and your responses tend to become overprotective in nature, without any proven facts supporting it. .
indeed, Andy is getting a bit over-sensitive and snapping at things that don’t fit within a certain narrative (usually those pushed by the Chinafanboys)
If you knew the very back ground history of J-11, you would also know that any export of J-11 is prohibited. Its eighter Russian Flankers or some other two engines jets.
yes but does it include the J-11D and J-15?
whats the likelihood Russia goes North Korean style and re-mark all of these aircraft as Syrian, but in reality piloted and managed by Russians
Right now the Gripen that is fielded is the “C/D”, so “being able to carry it farther” might not be the case.
right! I was thinking of both the C/D and the E/F
as of current it would appear that the Typhoon has a broader strike ability than the C/D but the E/F might not only rectify this gap but surpass it too.
The Chinese would say
F-22 sux cuz no DSI