On a more serious note, I don’t really think all these big su-30 purchases are smart. Instead of a stop gap solution, a few dozen bought, they’re turning to be really the mainstay of future Ruaf fleet. Su30m2 is pretty obsolete even today, and even Su30sm isn’t really going to be superior to many opponents in ten years’ time. And even the whole mig-35 plan doesn’t seem like it’s worth the while, considering the timetable it will happen in and considering all these planes will be serving 30 years from now.
Sure, companies making those planes got work, certain people got their pockets filled, Ruaf got a continuity of training their personnel on planes that can actually fly – but at what cost? Wouldn’t it have been better if su35 was the mainstay of all ruaf purchases until pak-fa was ready for mass production? Even if it means investing money only into one manufacturer? Sure, those planes are more expensive, and maybe even the inventory totals would have been lower if that route was taken – but plane purchase price is really just a smaller part of operating a plane over 30 years. And part of the extra cost would have been compensated with less pilots and infrastructure needed due to less two seater planes.
Having two or three competing firms may be doable for very large economies. But if France, UK etc are getting by with a single producer – maybe it’s better for Russia too, instead of throwing a lifeline to multiple manufacturers (within the same company even!) every now and then.
there’s a lot of people here in these forums that feel the need to justify the production and upgrades of various flanker variants, fulcrums, foxhounds, etc but refuse to acknowledge its primarily motivated by job creation not actual need (only 2 here acknowledge that).
but I also don’t think Su-30M2 is obsolete. I think it’s rather current.
The Kleptocrats running Russia are more concerned with putting euros into their Swiss bank accounts than keeping the military up to date.
but they’ve been buying a lot of equipment lately.
i doubt they’ll purchase as much as they claim (mostly a face measure), but they are actively updating their military in all sectors.
C295, Ka-226T, M777
Big Bang: India Clears 3 Big Deals With Russia, Europe & the US
that is interesting. so we can say the ka-226 is the winner of the LUH competition?
I always figured India would buy European or American for helicopters and Russian for very big ticket purchases.
Why does it seem so hard for Russia who is an advanced country to advance its military industry on par with the west? Even to to point in which only an engine gap prevents the Chinese from surpassing them? Here are some points.
1. Russians seem content on building up to 4 flanker varients even when the market is saturated with flankers.
2. There 5th generation project has development problems.
3. No low cost affordable mig-29 replacement, giving this market to the Chinese.
4. Mig is on its last leg.
5. 5th generation engine delays.
Why is it so hard for mig to package a light internal load Mig-29 sized and sell it?
They could even use conformal bays ala silent eagle.
Now they are losing in the high end and low end markets.
They could get buy with F-117 level stealth in a mig sized body with a very modest 1klb loadAnd sell it for under 60 mill
Whats happing to Russian aviation, and innovation?
but in fact.. no body wants Russian or Chinese mediums.
Chinese don’t even want the JF-17. it is more or less created for Pakistan, just like the MBT-2000, etc. they won’t sell them their best things so they make monkey models.
People also seem to like flankers over fulcrums.
I just had a brain fart..
indeed there is nothing but gas in your head.
keep away from fire.
No…. still can’t find it…..
I’ve read the last 9 posts again and again………. but I still can’t find any ‘PAK FA News, Pics and Debate’ content.
What am I missing ???
I’ve heard of ‘Thread Creep’ and I know the PAK FA news is a bit thin on the ground, but this is ridiculous…
Meanwhile…. just to show willing….here’s my scratch-built 1/72 scale model of the T50……
… and a Russian resin kit of same…..
Ken
do you do requests?
It look as a turret but it is not really such: just look at pictures from its left side. There is a large hole just in the front part to allow vision to an optical sensor (the main “gunner” visor?) located deep inside it.
Hard part of the “turret” is probably at a such depth, what you see on the outside is instead just a simple covering structure, acting like slat armors do, just being watertight so to protect also from adverse weather conditions (Russia is not the Iraqi desert)
Just look also at the gun mount, it sits quite low near to the hull and the roof of the turret is well above it but the latter seems to be a separate, not moving part .
they are saying this is how the naked turret looks like with out the slats
I think it’s a fake top. Any other links… I can’t wait for parade..
p.s.
sorry to divert the thread topic even more, but it is KnAAPO’s fault.
that’s the concensus on Tank-net as well. The turret armor looks too thin.
likely not the final/real turret config.
would not be the first time some one did that. That new Turkish tank had a totally different realistic looking mock up top and only recently revealed its true turret, which looked like the korean K-2’s turret.
I am surprised not more countries are doing like the Russians and Jordanians by moving the crew completely into the chassis and using an unmanned turret. you figure all those roasted tank crews in chechnya, ukraine, syria, and iraq would motivate others to do the same.
I would choose Su-35 and MiG-31 for either of those (A or B) on reflection. Don’t see the value of a large bomber these days, especially when ballistics missiles and a vast array of other cruise missile platforms exist, so Tu-22M is out. Su-34 – you need air superiority before operating larger fighter bombers and the Su-35S can help achieve that whilst also carrying the majority of the weapons the Su-34 carries in smaller quantity. Su-30/MiG-29SMT – Su-35S is better really, enough said. A MiG-31BM with a new AESA and R-37s would be pretty effective against most enemy fighters too, especially if used in conjunction with large, ground-based VHF AESA.
wasnt the role of tu-22m to do missile saturation against carrier groups?
if so, then will the replacement (or replacements) be as effective
The task is simplified.
MiG-31 – the production will not restore, you can not buy them.
MiG-29 SMT – production will not restore, you can not buy new ones.
Tu-22M3 – production will not restore, you can not buy new ones.
Su-34 – the plane specialization, only for superpower.The choice is clear: the interceptor Su-35s and multipurpose Su-30 / Super Flanker
3 of your options can be upgraded from existing airframes. the question is if it worthwhile to upgrade them or replace them with a new type
In my opinion, for the Russian Air Force will be the best choice buy small batch of the PAK FA (100 – 230 pieces). Development and purchasing large quantities single-engine fighter LMFS (instead of the Su-25, MiG-29, Su-27). And Interceptor – Bomber MFP / PAK DP (instead of the Su-27, MiG-31, Su-34 and Tu-22M3)
I said
But you can only choose two types. Which would you choose among these options and why:
Su-35S, Su-30SM, Su-34, Tu-22M, MiG-29SMT, MiG-31BM
not fantasy aircraft.
Lets also say two scenarios
A. you’re Russia
B. you’re India
You will always grab the largest multirole and the biggest possible strike platform. The Su-30SM is inferior to the Su-35S. The Su-34, although multiple strike role, isn’t a good multirole candidate. MiG-29SMT doesn’t deserve mention in this limited scope. The MiG-31 is neither a true multirole nor a strike platform.
So is this the equivalence of PVO or VVS air forces?
second choice?
as far as medium categorizations, mines still seems to be the most fitting
around 9,000kg -13,000kg
and 15-18 meters in length
weight tends to be synonymous with operating costs.
i’ll also add in that this metric applies to 4th and 5th gen aircraft.
like all categorizations, its not always a perfect cut.
f-35A falls within this standard but not the C.
Su-35S, Su-34.
Anyway, back to medium jets..
lol, says the guy who spewed out half a page of su-34 vs tu-22m
Ofcourse the Su-34 cant mount the Kh-22 club.
But thats why i say the Su-34 is a much better multirole platform. Its way cheaper to operate over the Tu-22M.
It can carry Brahmos like missiles, its better for CAS mission and regular strike missions.To have the Tu-22M primarly doing Kh-22 missions, is a very expensive and specialized platform in the first place.
A cold war relic.
Su-30SM, Su-35, MiG-31, Tu-22M, Su-34.
Pick two if you were only allowed to choose from them.