Here’s another cool take:

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Incidentally, once again charges of PSs are pending:

(zt of WMF)

(This one credited to Z3P of CMF)

Also, an update on the J-10:

Originally posted by Srbin
lol no, I think the only reason PAF went for FC-1 is because they couldn’t get more F-16s/upgrade existing ones. All the support and infrastructure for F-16s is already there.

Pakistan didn’t just go with the FC-1 for a reason, they didn’t do it just cause they felt like it.

Well, it goes without saying: Yes, indeed such logic would apply to
any/all nations. I mean what other recourses are there for you except to shop
elsewhere if your normal supply line has all of a suddently been cut ???

Example: If the Russians didn’t quit on the Chinese as they did
in the 50’s and 60’s and the experience of buying airplanes was like the ordering
of a happy meal from McDonald’s, in my view, the Chinese probably wouldn’t have
had the need or the incentive to develop their own Big Macs.

Regardless, I’m sure the Pakistans wouldn’t want to give up their JF-17 now
that it’s proven a success. It’s a plane they had played a huge part in developing and
a plane which, in all truth, will help Pakistan jump start its aviation industry.

From here, many great things will happen to both the Pakistani and the Chinese
aviation industry. The aviation industry of both nations are now standing firmly on their
own two feets. They now don’t need to beg others to keep their AF shipshape!!!

Originally posted by troung
“The FC-1 market is not those with access to American technology or those (like possibly in Egypt’s case) allied with the US to the point where American tech transfer is a possibility.”

True. I don’t see the FC-1 being able to market in nations, which are closer US allies. Its not as much about the just the plane but about influence and such.

“If Pakistan has a F-16 assembly line, they would be building F-16s instead of JF-17s in a few years.”

No doubt.

“I say everything is pointing to a FC-1 prospect that is about as “grim” as the K-8’s which had a similiar degree of disadvantage to a F-16-like world beater/standard bearer in its class, the Hawk.”

Well a lot of the K-8s success in Egypt can also be pointed to the fact the UK can’t “sell” the Hawk like the Americans “sell” the F-16. In other words all but giving them away. The K-8 has had respectable success on the export market with sales to various nations around the world. Granted Burma, Sri Lanka and Pakistan getting it are not surprises, the Egyptian sale was a case of good marketing.

“First by Pakistan and then from all the other countries that for whatever reasons are using Chinese equipment today.”

True. Some of the less aligned nations could take a very serious look at the plane. Generally the Chinese market to nations which either are trying for a cheap arms build up (Iraq, Sri Lanka, Pakistan) or don’t have many friends (Burma). I would not be shocked in the least at the Bangladeshi buy of the FC-1 and/or K-8.

“why shouldnt PAF lobby USa if it could possibly get few F-16s for free out of aid.”

Once again did I say anything was wrong with the PAF still wanting the F-16A/B? In fact it makes a lot of sense why they would still want the plane even now.

“SD-10 and troung, your two way nationalist bickering is giving me a headache”

Who is a nationalist? Not me.

Outsourcing is the most mystical of all beasts evil…

It does not recogonize international borders; it can not differentiate
friends from competitors; it does not recogonize the color of the skin; its lifeline
is not based on the concepts of political ideologies….

Its life source is based on the logics and the realities of economics!!!

Re: Two Jaguar jets go missing near LoC

Originally posted by KabirT

Two Jaguar jets go missing near LoC:

This region is well known for funny UFO sightings, abductions, etc.
Sightings of weird-looking creatures had been widely reported by the locals of this area.
This fact is well known throughout the world of UfO enthusiasts.

Originally posted by Pete_sj
How can you determine the FC-1’s performance when its first flight was not even a year ago?

70% performance of the F-16. How was this measured? Comparing pictures?

BTW, SD-10, The last picture you show is clearly of the SAAB Gripen.

German Typhoon.

I wouldn’t laugh about it. There just may be an export version:

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