Not an expert, but have a little experience of MB seats in Hunters, Canberras, Hawk & Meteor, but it does seem that the AIIB have hung their hat on what is easily traceable, i.e. Seat cartridges & waiting for ‘experts’ to neutralise/make safe the seats & canopy explosives. I must admit that I thought fire fighters were taught how to make safe ejection seats without having to wait for some expert to travel from some remote corner of the world…..mind you there is now a proliferation of different types flying in the UK all with subtly different mechanisms, Russian, American, MB, cant think there are many with Folland seat experience, then not to mention the canopy….. Now think about the Vulcan & Canberras, the latter usually with slackish cables behind the seat that set off the canopy &/or the drogue gun….
I can see why the CAA are worried, but the military are of course usually expecting a crash to have an aircraft where the seat has already left the aircraft, very few hit the ground with the seat still on its rails & the gun not fired.
Then there is the safety case which then must reflect the insurance cost & as stated in the report the loss of expertise & no real civvy equivalent of an armourer.
Sad to say this will ground a lot of these aircraft in civilian use, but in the end it is for the safety of the spectator or innocent bystander in this modern legalistic society. As an aside how many of the pilots in these aircraft have the ejection seat training or even the survival training imposed on service fast jet personnel.
Keith
Reading some of the older stuff on this thread brought back memories of my apprenticeship at Weybridge. It is quite possible that I worked on XD 818 in 1957(?) as I was with the section installing the flight refuelling system & being a smallish guy I usually ended up trying to fit the nuts onto the cup where the fuel pipe exited the cabin area where the pipe then ran aft to the pipes that passed under the jet pipes within their stainless steel jackets – thats IIRC! It was too easy to overtighten the nuts which could then shear the 2 BA bolts!
Can’t be many of us left!!
Keith
” A crack in a tiny electronic module caused the system to send repeated warning alerts to the pilots, who responded by resetting the system.”
A fault like this could be due to bench testing showing NFF (No Fault Found) as the unit was probably not stressed by heat or cold on the bench as in the air.
Had lots of problems with Jindivik Transformer Rectifier Units until luckily found water across a couple of junctions. Normally this water would evaporate before being able to inspect item. This led to a change in design of the cooling air inlet!
Keith
IIRC these rules are used by the pattern maker, not the draughtsman. The draughtsman draws the final product size. (I’m old enough to be pre computer age, but have difficulty remembering some things!)
Keith
If the assy number is 496 or 498 then it could be from a Viking. Googling the Vickers type numbers gives 496 to the 3 rd prototype & 498 to BEA Viking 1A. The interesting bit though is the Steady/flash Nav lights labelling which I would associate with a military type – unless its from one of the Kings flight Vikings? It is also possible that that assy could be from a Valetta using existing drawings?
Brooklands Museum any help?
Keith
After an hour and half, as no one else has stated it yet, these are clearly at a SBAC Farnborough Air Show, but one a little before my time. The Rotordyne dates the year at 1958 to 1961; I know the Short SC.1 was there in 1958 and 1960 at least; while the El Al Britannia is likely 1957 (the first of their order flew shortly before SBAC of that year). The weather looks similar in all the images, so looks at though the all same year, or were they?
What is the white, well swept-back tail beyond the Gannet in one of the flying Javelin shots? I can only think of the ATEL Accountant.
I would agree with the Accountant, also has a distinctive cockpit profile. I think behind that though is a Victor tailplane?
Keith
Interesting question, but in trying to do a bit of internet research I have not found out when or to what aircraft the TKS fluid system was introduced. I know it was fitted to Vickers Vikings & to DH Doves. So if Vikings were they on the Mk I fabric/geodesic (Wellington?) wings, or only on the later MkIa metal wings?
Keith
Thank you 5054, see also my comment on the global aviation link above. Hope you enjoy, especially need the later modified FDE to cure the wing drop on stalling!
Keith
For those interested in Flight Sim 2004, FSX or P3D, my model of ‘EDU & ‘AYR is available for free download at FlightSim (dot)com. (Possible also soon via PCpilot?)
Keith ( Sorry about blowing own trumpet, but someone has to…… )
John,
OK I will create a .dxf for you, will you PM me your e-mail Address please.
Keith
[edit] See your PM for a dropbox link to my .dxf drawing.
K
John, I no longer have coreldraw, but I think it might read .dxf format or even .dws. If it does I can save AutoCad drawings in those formats for you.
Keith
John,
Can you read Autocad 2002 drawings? I made mine from photos & available info back in 2008 when creating my Proctors for Flight Sim 2004 (which are still available at Britsim & Flightsim). It is though very possible that my dimensions are a fluke, knowing only the span & length at the time! My scaled drawing for that distance is 113.6 inch, tail up. I suspect Top Cat’s dimension is tail down as thats how ‘KEX is at the moment! (Sorry Mike).
If you can read AutoCad I can put it up on my Dropbox for you, just leave a PM here or at cbfsim, Soh, or Flightsim of you e-mail addy.
Regards
Keith
[edit] Just looked at my Gmax models for the Mk I & the Mk IV. respective dims tail up are 112.95 for Mk I, 120. 48 for Mk IV, but those are my educated guesses back then!
K
Oh – what joy to see the progress made on her, good luck Rex. Hope my Flight Sim model does justice to her grace.
Keith
Sim model
I thought that you might like to see a screenshot of the current state of play with my Sim Model. The exterior is 99% complete as is the basic interior, I only have to create the Provost special instruments & radio, as well as the 2D screen & ‘Pop-ups’. I hope that I have the flying characteristics as close as I can get them, although spinning seems to be a problem in Flight Sim anyway.
She is in Pre Beta testing at http://www.britsim.com & I hope one of our inmates will provide lots of addon paint jobs.
I must say thank you to all who have helped me through this forum.
I will let you know when she is on general release as Freeware.
Keith
As far as I remember there were 10 airframes under construction, (plus 3 test front fuselages) & No 5 (XR223 ?) was to be fully instrumented & to have all of the Nav & armament systems installed – so there was a lot of additional orange wiring going in. I can only report up to Jan 64, so do not know after that for sure.
Keith