One of the most laughable post I have ever read in this forum. Ever heard of economy of scale bro?
economy of scale only works on production increase not stretching production. see F-16 example. in the late 80s and 90s. its yearly production was high so price was reasonable but now even F-16E will approach Rafale prices. past production rates does not matter.
The F-35 is a substantially larger aircraft with inherently greater range and endurance capabilities.
incremental greater range wont matter. since Canada is simply too big for 36 or 60 aircraft.
The F-35 has stealth, which would allow it to monitor aircraft near Canadian airspace without revealing itself if it so chose.
some more investments in ground based radar and AWACS will better monitor airspace.
The F-35 has a larger and longer-ranged radar.
As i said its only incrementally better range. not like mulitple of better range.
The F-35 has EOTS, which allows BVR “visual” ID of aircraft and ships. (particularly if Canada goes for the advanced EOTS)
optical pods are always advancing faster than ordering something with aircraft.
The F-35 will have satellite comms integrated internally. (it won’t need the pod Canadian F-18s currently carry.)
whats wrong with pod. its not that they are using it for mach 2 speeds.
The F-35 will also be fully compatible with Canada’s chief military ally and training partner.
Canada is already participating in the F-35 program and has received significant work-share.
etc etc, and all of this completely ignores overseas/NATO operations.
they won competitive rights to workshare. if some one else could do that in exchange for greater orders. it would have been already reallocated.
Canada has very little budget and is unlikely to contribute much to NATO operations in future. they already losing big for there naval operations. adding expensive F-35 will make them irrelevant if not just for demographic change in less than 10 years.
Obama does not like Turkey and Saudi. and after Saudi prince and Erdogan recent language. It seems alot more pressure on Yemen and Kurd issue coming up. It will also discredit countries like France as Obama simply not allowing them to act big.
MIG-21 has no business flying so flow. if they had 100 to 150 attack choppers. the result will be very different in this conflict. attack choppers bring alot of flexibility.
Plus. EF/Rafale production will go down alot beyond 2020 and SH will be likely to closed as boeing said anything below 24 is uneconomical. there will be no twin engine fighter in production post 2020.
Canada problems are much bigger than Norway. they selling real estate internationally that has raised cost of living such no industry can survive there.
My prediction is Canada is sandwiched between wanting ships for Arctic and Fighter jets and at end it neither will be succesfully implemented.
what happen to IAF A330 AWACS programme after signing another overprice deal for A-50EI.
Tejas is Mig21 replacement with interception as key role with ground attack ability. We need replacements for Mig 23, 27 and Jaguars which will be Rafale.
Why not? Its matter of feasibility. I believe per unit cost of Rafale can be reduced only by ordering more than 36. Economics of scale. It will also involve private companies in India who will get first hand experience in building fighter jets. Good for make in India.
ordering more than 36 will not lower the price. unless you can give minimum money flow per year to Dassualt. i am not measuring year unit of production.
Depends. The PAK FA is late and getting later, with no meaningful production planned until sometime after 2020. Russia continues to produce updated versions of Cold War era aircraft that aren’t much of a threat to 5th generation types. China is a greater concern, but again, we we talking about a force composed entirely of 3rd and 4th generation fighters. The J-20 appears to be moving faster than the PAK FA, but what are its actual capabilities? Not much is known…
there was no TVC equiped fighter operational in Coldwar era and now the reach of sensors and standoff weopons is such that it is not advisable to park fighters on the ground but under ground thousands kms away. Russia has the largest and most successful air to ground weopons programme.
http://tass.ru/en/defense/861810
more than 35,000 air weapons, nine launch vehicles and spacecraft,” Borisov listed during the day of military products acceptance.
The question remains, when the requirements are written again, why will they differ from what was already in place?
I think you will be disappointed. Three years from now on the campaign trail Justin Trudeau will be trumpeting the decision to acquire the F-35 after an open and honest competition and the jobs it will bring to Canada.
Justin Trudeau does not have political will to allocate enough money to create operational F-35. he is dithering around with small bailout of bombardier. certainly he does not understand science. Science create military might.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/justin-trudeau-putin-north-pole-arctic-drilling-russia_us_56de03b9e4b0000de40595c1
Justin Trudeau: Putin Doesn’t Determine Who Owns North Pole
Science has the ultimate say in drawing national boundaries.
it is still concept not an operational plane that you can regulary produce. how many years Boeing took for that 737 to put too much requirements on smaller plane.
er, seriously, what would be the reason for Russia to attack any of the North european countries? Or eastern?
they are pretty much all members of NATO, and, what’s more, they all are more or less economical partners. Simply, Russia has no interest in any way to start a direct confrontation with any of them. IF there are conflicts, they’ll be indirect, like in Syria where Russians and NATO support different sides of the conflict (except ISIS which managed to be more or less everyone’s target)…
demonstration of force is necessary for squeezing money out of EU. see Turkey and Arab league example.
if current procurement continues. Russia will get absolute dominace over EU in less than 5 years.
this complete lack of resolve.
http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/politics/2016/03/07/renzi-dismisses-talk-of-libya-invasion_52b4acc1-413b-4543-b616-58348de5b4a3.html
Renzi dismisses talk of Libya ‘invasion’
Premier says invading country is not a videogame
This is an interesting illustration of the advantages of a program with the F-35’s scale and resources. The F-35 will be operational with its second targeting pod faster than some of its competition got their first…
It didnot happen with F-16s so why it will be different with F-35.
Nope. Just like statements of any other politician. And you’re pretty…hmmm, let’s say… naive, if you believe to such statements of polititcians, especially in subject of weapon systems.
Who told you that PAK FA’s hull made with the same share and type of composites as Su-35 and MIG-35? :rolleyes:
Pak-fA is built with much stronger materials to deal with monstrous thrust and high altitude.