Russian give realistic figures. and the engine price is cheaper than western.
http://survincity.com/2013/10/10-000-hours-without-maintenance-ps-90a-set-a-2/
10,000 hours without maintenance: PS-90A set a record for domestic aviation
It is very costly and waste of time to keep old engine running up to airframe life.
http://www.geaviation.com/press/military/military_20120808.html
This follows earlier RSAF orders for 156 engines to power 71 re-engined F-15S aircraft.
with every order 10% extra engines are already included.
http://www.geaviation.com/press/military/military_20090615.html
To date, more than 900 F414 engines have been delivered, supporting more than 395 aircraft in the fleet.In May 2009, the first F414 engines for the Royal Australian Air Force were shipped for installation on the F/A-18F Super Hornets as part of a deal signed in 2007 calling for 54 F414-GE-400 engines. Engine deliveries are scheduled to continue through 2010 for the RAAF, the inaugural international Super Hornet customer.
“Russian engines” do not lack in general if we consider 117S or AL-31FM2, but these will not fit on J-10 for certain. Pakistan’s export variant of J-10s is powered by AL-31FNs with 124 kN thrust. F-16 is already exported with GE-132 (142 kN). They have same empty weight, so J-10 looks pretty much underpowered compared to F-16. That also makes me question if J-10 is really more maneuverable than F-16, even block 60.
how do you know the weight of J-10 and what is included in that weight. is it based on obsolete flight manuals referring to 1970s manufacture build?
13.5 ton engine went into production in 2014. that is 30,000lbs thrust more than 29,000 thrust of all F-16 baring F-16E.
http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=2189
http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=2189
another way to look at it the same company CAC produced 6.5 tons JF-17 with 4.5ton load capacity. now only 50 or so are produced in past 15 years but 400 to 500 J-10 are produced in same time period. that’s a lot of resources to put into one fighter. manufacturing, materials, avionics, engine will be top notch behind that effort.
Infact Chinese will have boat load of hard currency as Apple dominate the world.
http://www.ledinside.com/news/2015/3/chinas_sapphire_industry_picks_up_as_apple_watch_hits_the_market_ledinside_reports
Apple has provided an unprecedented, game-changing opportunity for China’s sapphire industry
Actually French aircrafts have very poor record in IAF. 11 out of 60 has crashed. and quarter of them grounded since 2010. so if they grounded so they not flying so those 25% are considered inactive.
and the rest will be in slow upgrade process.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2014-09-19/indian-air-force-mirage-2000-upgrade-progresses-despite-groundings
Bureaucratic holdups have caused delays. As a result, parts are being cannibalized and there are some aircraft [inactive] since 2010
only 36 Rafale is negotiate in piece meal buying approach that may take 5 to 10 years to operationalize by that India will know whether those 36 Rafale good enough considering the operational cost. by that 300 MKI mark will be passed.
It has a Russian engine which badly lags the engines available in the F-16. It has a Chinese avionics fit of mostly unknown capability. We have no reliable information on how it actually performs or what its durability/maintainability is.
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Actually AL-31FN is superior engine than engine in F-16s. I have seen couple of takeoff videos of J-10 look as good or better than EF. and Chinese have tremendous confidence on engines that’s why they built 400 to 500 J-10 planes in such short time. F-16 production was high in 1980s when It was simple plane but once it reach high tech Block 50+/Block60. it falls down to mere 40 or less per year. J-10 is much complex and advanced design.
by early 2012 they had 250 engines for J-10
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2012-05-11/chinese-al31f-orders-keep-russian-engine-maker-busy
Rafale does not employ India labor force to build. and India hasn’t purchased any weopons for rafale or fighter itself.
it will be 2025 before they can efficiently utilize Rafale if they signed the deal. and what happened to that A330MRT and A330 AWACS deal that Modi was supposed to sign. Seem this 36 fighter deal if its real is derailing other things.
so now you’re trying to divert it to the EU? nice try Jihadi
I am not diverting. It is you that calling other names to divert attention. It is you that started diversion.
http://www.thelocal.se/20150417/syria-says-scandinavian-isis-leaders-most-dangerous
Syria: ‘most dangerous’ Isis leaders Scandinavian
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsrussia-to-supply-s-300-air-defence-systems-to-kazakhstan-4171055
Russia also signed an agreement to establish an integrated regional air defence network with Kazakhstan
air defence network and shifting/creating energy infrastructure to Asia is part of dealing with Middleast/EU.
infact my theory is once China/Korea/Japan decrease energy buy from Middleast. ISIS threat will evaporate. if not hard power will deal with it.
Not in the software industry no. But putting anecdotal evidence aside for the moment, a cursory google search tells me that the revenues from the Indian IT industry grew from about $8 billion in 2000 to about $120 billion expected in 2015. Ten seconds on the calculator tells me that’s a growth rate of roughly 20% yoy. That would be quite err.. miraculous, if India’s cost advantages were as illusory as suggested in invictus_slo’s post.
you have to look at input cost of so called software development. $120b is nothing when your best workforce is consumed in that and land prices and wages sky rocket that basically nothing else can built at reasonable price even against production in expensive countries like France and Russia. software is not even real economy.
The average cost of technical staff at HAL is probably $10-15,000/yr compared to $50,000+ in France. Even if the manpower ratio is 2.7:1, in plain monetary terms the former is a cheaper proposal.
so you think HAL labor has same experience and labor turnover rate like Dassualt?. France maybe even cheaper labor wise for such complex product.
J-10?
Have to remember that Iran and Russia don’t have a comfortable history. Not to say they won’t buy Russian hardware as appropriate, but they’ll want to hedge their bets.
Russia and Iran has very good recent history. starting with Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to Syria.
Russia is first to break the embargo.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-rolls-out-oil-goods-deal-iran-1496134
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/03/19/Arab-paralyzes-oils-Iran-s-regional-domination.html
Just a few years ago, Iran threatened to close its airspace to any airline using the term ‘Arabian Gulf’ and to close the Straits of Hormuz if it were attacked. If those threats were carried through and also implemented by an Iranian-controlled Syria, Iraq, Yemen, GCC nationals and residents would be held hostage, unable to fly
infact Ruaf has much longer legs & more effective than Chinese air force with long range air defence system implemented in Crimea. They can practically close the northern flight route for Arabian airlines.
Thanks , The Range of 160 Km seems to be low considering Zhuk-AE AESA T/R is being offered as BARS replacement for Su-30MKI
Its tracking range.
That was his point actually. If MiG-35 even closes Su-35’s price tag, why would anyone buy MiG-35? I understand your love towards MiG-29/35, but there is really nothing MiG-35 offers above Su-35. It needs to be way cheaper than Su-35 to stay attractive in export market.
Its the fuel cost that MIG-35 is cheaper to run. RD-33MK is same 4000hr life engine. I highly doubt AESA equipped MIG-35 will be that much different than Su-35. Su-35 by itself is not that expensive fighter relative Rafale/EF.
The point I am making is since RD-33 engines will be in production for decades to come like upgrading those MIG-29K/JF-17 in later years. there is no point in stopping MIG-35 production.
RD-33MK is same class engine as 117. infact Klimov due to heli engines is a lot more profitable firm. I highly doubt price is that much different considering all the refinements and much more present in MIG-29K. (15% composite use while Su-35 have none). You can see even the tinted canopies.

They’re stopgap measure for arresting a diving squadron strength. Excellent for air superiority, available at short notice while having a fair few years remaining. The logic is the same as that driving the IAF’s upgrades for its (far older) MiG-29s & Mirage 2000s. The platform is however a lot more capable.
how if platform far capable as it can only do air to air. and no pilots or maintaince infrastructure in place. It is far easier to induct MIG-29 and used M2K than EF. EF is also more prone to embargoes.
Where does it say that the T1s are being retired? In fact, these seem to be serving T1s with 90% of their service life still remaining. And at $65M they’re a still a better option than a Mirage and/or MiG-29 upgrade priced at $40M.
In either case, this is hardly the same as ex-RAF EFs being diverted from the scrapyard/museum to the IAF.
upgraded MIG-29 is full multi role fighter and India has all training and infrastructure. You cannot compare it to obsolete T1.
Plus T1 has Germanic content that arbitrary put embargoes. That may be the biggest reason that Egypt got Rafale and not followed BAE.
Pardon my doubts.
But the Mig-35S will not become a High value assets like the Su-35S. It will be a cheaper alternative to fill the shrinking fleet of VVS.
from where you get that MIG-35S is cheaper than Su-35S?
And if the Russian AF and its MoD did not find it necessary to develop and field the NIIP AESA radar for Su-35S, something tells me we will not see any AESA, at least not any GaN AESA on the Mig-35S.
The Su-35S is expensive as it is, and funding is allways a question.
Su-35 was never designed with AESA. MIG-35 was showing AESA before even Su-35 flew.
Way too early to speculate what will become of MIG RAC past 2020. I feel they should pick their niche products like UAV for the future, not embark on some costly new fighter project.
Btw, who is doing the upgrade on the Mig-31’s?
They should keep upgrading MIG-35 until EF/Rafale/Gripen are production.