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What other points of exposure are there for Russian military-industrial programs? I know Su-30SM has some western gear.

Mistral is very paltry sum of $1.5b deal. infact Russia can offer direct employment to French workers at higher pay and lower taxes.
Russia is going to profit from sanctions. Russia does not take France seriously so not even responding to French politicians babbling.

French Auto industry and Airbus is depended on Russia.
http://rostec.ru/en/news/3491

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/alcoa-set-to-be-heavy-player-in-russian-titanium-392063/
Alcoa bought the Samara and Belaya Kalitva aluminium processing plants in 2005, and has since invested more than $540 million in facilities, including modern control technology for a forging press that remains the sole source globally of some particularly large products.

I was told they refurbished most of their AF in-house they were left with a lot of industries and spare parts to work with. Ukraine Su-27 by no means is in the same class as new Russian Su-27SM but Ukraine does possess superior air-to-air missiles. It is said they manufacture a superior version of the R-27 missile with a much better IR seeker. Even China and India buys their missiles and seekers instead of going directly to Russia.

China/India are very new to AAM missile tech and also stingy with money since large airforce need large number of missiles. They will not be able to afford export prices from Russia on large scale.
there is no way Ukraine can built a superior version of R-27. the industrial supply chain is quite old.

And also their SAM network is no slouch even for an old dog they are still better armed and just as good as any of the European heavies, maybe even better in terms of air-defense hardware. The left over BukM1, Pechora, Tugunska and S-300P is still a potent machine as long as their are trained soldiers that knows how to operate them. Ukraine would lose a shooting war but they do have the firepower to inflict oncoming threat.

This is 1980s network at best with questionable training. they simply don’t have any fire power to damage anything but itself.

Here is Ukraine Electronic’s Pod available for export:
Again, sorry guys just a little fun here and there nothing serious. In the end we know the politics and level heads from both sides are going to have to sort it out before we ever see something as silly as shooting wars among neighbors. :very_drunk:

this pod is even tested on aircraft.

how old are the missiles.? and they do have the money to incorporate latest electronics and software continously.
there is no electronics pod on wing tip or center line. Are new engines bought or still flying with 1980s engines.
I not going into pilot and latest simulator trainings. its very hard to defend when strike can come from north, south, east simulataneously.
Ukraine was even behind Belarus in recent Olympics. Ukraine institutions are in decay and they look like going to default. one will sell them oil.

I was under the impression the Russians were still lacking in the cashy money dept.

current investments in infrastructure will allow it to fund 6th generation fighter beyond pakfa in post 2020 period. I am sure during prototype testing of pakfa a lot of experience will be gained so better start work now. it takes couple of years of design, material work before first flight.

So B-1B has 216 tons MTOW, can carry 23 tons external and 34 tons internal payload an has 120 tons fuel capacity; it is about 39 tons empty right???:very_drunk: LOL you are off by 47 tons :stupid: Margin of error 120% :eagerness: After explaining MTOW 3 times with a dozen examples, I will leave you with your flawed way of thinking.

http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/104500/b-1b-lancer.aspx

Edit: Just noticed something: According to your way of calculation, if you Fully load an F-15E, it will have same weight of empty B-1B. Excellent :highly_amused:

you are comparing different sources. not same manufacturer. I will not even compare MIG & Su let alone different countries specifications. Su-34 is at 45 ton approximately. 22 ton weight, 12 ton fuel, 12 ton external payload. so I also give example. so I also explain it 3rd time.

Nonsense. MTOW weight has nothing to do with internal fuel or external payload. Baseline Su-27S has 16300 kg empty weight, it can carry 9220 kg usable fuel and can carry 4430 kg of payload, totals out at 29950 kgs. Its MTOW is however dependent on landing gear bus type, 28000 or 33000kgs. Su-34 22300kg empty, 8000kg payload 11400kg fuel = 41700 kgs, yet have 45100 kg MTOW. Tu-160 = 110000 kg empty, 171000kg fuel capacity 40000 kg payload capacity = 321000kg yet MTOW = 275000kg.

baseline Su-27 is 1970s product built on 1960s machinery. it has nothing to do with MIG-29K

I can name dozens of of other examples. MTOW is just as the name suggest, maximum weight an aircraft can take off from required runway distance. It may be limited by structural reasons (ie if you load too much weight it will break), or by aerodynamic reasons (it cannot generate enough lift at the end of the runway for take off).

I also can give you example of Su-35.

MiG-35 may have lightweight avionics, but it has much more numerous avoincs and other equipment so thats not a valid comparison. Original 9.12 did not even have chaff/flare dispansers. MiG-35 has a potent AESA, MAWS, much improved RWR all will add to weight. More advanced materials in greater amounts yes, but MiG-35 has double the lifetime of 9.12. From your analogy, F-16 blk60 could be lighter than F-16A, because of advances in materials and avionics, but that does not hold true; Its full 2,5 tons heavier than the original. Again, MiG-29A weigh 10900 kgs, MiG-29M 13380 kgs. Suprise; its also 2,5 tons heavier. Somehow if you think some Russian magic will make MiG-35 full 2,5 tons lighter despite the bigger long life airframe and more avionics, you are mistaken.

Its Russian unique design and material science capabilities that make fighter weight down with enhanced engine and capabilities. even TVC not a problem

From Yefim Gordon’s Midland series book “MiG-29”. page 115 To quote exact text:

I am sure MIG-29 real weight is revealed to him only and real life logic of performances does not have any weight.

I can post the screenshot if you like, I am using too much of my attachment limit.

no need for that as its not reliable.

You are right I remembered it wrong. Checked it and its 2000 km on internal 3200 km with 3ETs, MiG-29K = 3000 km on ETs

its good you admit your mistake. so by your logic 13.3 ton heavy aircraft with massive cockpit & much more powerful engines than Rafale can fly 2000km only on 4.5tons internal fuel?

1- Did you measured the climb, turn or acceleration performance? 600 to 1100 km/h time? S/L climb rate? ITR? STR? To be very honest, I’ve always found OVT shows to be lacking the sudden acceleration and sustained turn performance of ordinary MiG-29, maybe related to the show planning IDK.
2-IIRC, engines did not recieve MK upgrade, instead they are RD-133s with new smokeless FADEC and uprated to 5600kg dry 9000kg, which was the basis of the RD-33MK?

MIG-29OVT predates RD-33Mk certification .The point I am making is that such heavy thing like TVC did not have big impact on performance.

3- Relevance? Like other aircraft, MiG-29 is built by man, and upgraded by man using present days technology. I thought it would be relevant to say there is no single example of a fighter that got lighter than the initial variant, after recieving several iterations of thorough upgrades.

MIG-29 is fundamentally very sound and future proof design. you have to admit certain designs have more upgrade flexibility than others. that’s why its on small carriers of Russian and India.

The link you posted to blog is unreliable. The rest of stuff posted does not make any sense.
F-18E is 15 tons+ on boeing site. the rest are just assumptions.

http://thietre-blogdothietre.blogspot.com/2009/08/mig-29kkub-vs-fa-18ef-empty-weight-and.html
Two-seat version MiG-29KUB, possibly, has weight not less than 13.700 kg. These are rough estimates. For comparison, the weight of empty weight F-18E makes 13.387 kg, two-seat F-18F – 13.880 kg (the information western sources). Sometimes empty weight F-18E/F is accepted to identical size (13.880 kg). Thus, empty weight МiG-29К/КUB (13.300/13800) it is practically identical with F-18E/F (13.387/13.880