because there many thing more complicated in a missile than just the engine and aerodynamic , for example : software , sensor , also finding customer , finding enough funding for large production …etc
so competitors will wait untill you sort out your funding problem. they will go in other directions to defeat the thing that your advertizing for decades without delivering operationally.
you want me to show you what ?????????????????????????????????
already explained like a billion times why meteor have longer range than r-77sd , i also suggest that there may be other reasons that i dont know , i already show you many different missiles with equal size and weight but have different range ..etc as i said before aerodynamic and rocket science is complicated , neither me or you can have enough knowledge to say with that size that missiles can’t have that range ..etc
i compare missile at different time , yes so what ?? it mean that different solution was made to improve the range ..etc the same may be MBDA have different solution for their missiles who the hell know what the solution is ???
last where did it say su-35 can fly at mach 1.5 with 4 KH-31 ?
equal size and weight but different time lines. There is difference in 1970s and 1990s. and surely more improvements in 21st century. ramjet is quite old technology.
so you think the manufacture assumes only one Kh-31 for Mach 1.5 speed.
one hand claiming that Rafale has supersonic tanks untill Mach 1.6 but not beliving on much more powerfull Su-35 carrying lighter RVV-BD to that speed.
1-what the weight of rvv-bd :confused: btw missiles and pylon reduce speed of su-35 mainly due to drag
2- explained before meteor have ramjet engine , r-77 SD doesnt =>meteor have longer range , and i compared just to show you that producer can improve missiles range without increase weight that all , iam not an expert ,neither do you , or any guy here so we dont know why exactly one missile have longer range than the other ok , i can give opinion but that all
Its 510kg for export version. you didnot showed anything but merely comparing missiles from different time lines that are some time decades apart. your hopelessly trying to reduce Su-35 speed when it carries RVV-BD when much heavier ASM it can launch at mach 1.5

So your answer is now to simply deny what every source, including manufacturer and objective references, state is the general range for the weapon?. What do you base this on JSR?.
objective reference?. how is one manufacturer claim become objective reference. especially if they are so slow in operationalizing the missile that Chinese knows about in year 2004.
i already told you meteor use ramjet engine while R-77 dont have engine and, the range of missiles is depend on many factor , just because they have identical weight doesnot mean they will have equal range ( another example : Mica vs R 550 Magic )
and also with 10 missiles the su-35 will slow down to mach 1.7 ( if you carry RVV-BD it will be even worse because the missiles is much bigger )
Kh-31PD can be launched at mach 1.5. and that missile is 50% heavier than RVV-BD. so i doubt RVV-BD will slow down Su-35 that much.
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/511/565/
your always comparing missiles from different time lines like R550 magic with MICA. it like comparing R-60MK with R-73.
R-77SD is more newer missile than Meteor. so its unlikely that much difference in range.
rim-67er vs rim-156 , essm vs hawk , sea dart mod 0 vs sea dart mod 2 ..etc , as said before missile range is affected by many factor that we dont know :p bigger doesnot equal longer range
your randomly comparing missiles without putting specific purpose.
AAM does not need that much variation. It is unlikely that Metor gets 50% more range than R-77SD with identical weight. certainly not from Raflale in comprision with Su-35. Ground or ship launched missiles dont have this altutde/speed from platform differences.
one have engine , the other dont , and again bigger doesnot equal longer range
Ex : PAC-3 vs ESSM or AIM-7 vs AIM-120 ..etc
PAC-3 short range is against billistic missiles. AIM-120 is much newer missile than AIM-7.
not every other , mainly missile in the west , and r-77 which they bought from russia
ok. world has so many places for developing BVR AAM.
aim-120d max range = 180 km , meteor max range = 160 km so not much shorter than rvv-bd
btw in future when stealth fighter like f-35 , f-22 , j-31 , j-20 , t-50 go in service there be even less use for missiles like RVV-BD , not to mention ROE
so Meteor has 160km?. that is about 1.5 times R-77SD. which is 190kg missile.
RVV-BD is export restricted to 200km. there is other uses beside fighter aircraft like cruise missiles/support aircraft for BD etc.
missiles producers know much much more than us :p they may calculate by software or testing..etc who the hell know , if iamnot wrong Meteor have the same design as r-77m
i merely pointing out the reliability of interview. at that time Chinese designer didnot have a clue there is RVV-BD coming up but they know every thing about every other missile.
nose pointing isnot even needed as we have jhmcs and hobs missiles :rolleyes:
thats the problem. when you spend ur limted budget in expensive hobs missiles/JHMCS. you have less money left to develop RVV-BD class missile. with advanced 360 degree situational awarness, nose pointing ability, higher altitude. there is less need for short range agile missile than R-73 for Ruaf. there is active R-73 version that works like medium range BVR missile.
read it carefully it talk about testing condition , ranking of missiles , even the range of Meteor
I went to the link. This interview was done in 2004. so how on earth they estimated Meteor range at that time and from what kind of aircraft.
This is from April 2004 and apparently it was an interview with the SD-10 designer. The original SD-10 was superior to the R-77 and the AIM-120 A/B and was very close to the AIM-120C. So the fact that the SD-10A is superior to AIM-120C should be no suprise!!
you dont get my point :(:(
what i mean is one of them is for medium range , the other is for dogfight => different purpose => it kind of dumb to say that one is better
you still not getting the point. that in old days AIM-9L could barely pull 25 to 30g. and now medium range BVR missiles pull 40 to 50 g. so that lines are blured. Medium range AAM are now effective in WVR combat as long as new fighters have nose pointing ability. so there is very much less need for extreme agility that decreases the range.
su-35 have less top speed than f-15 = more drag ( if it have more powerful engine => this even more true ) , btw you still havenot gave me any link to support your point that su-35 can go beyond mach 2 with weapon
TVC only improve instantaneous turn rate not sustain turn rate no matter it 2D or 3D
F-15 figures dont see reliable as twin seat heavier F-15E has same top speed as single seat F-15C based manufacture data.
Sukhoi scale down Su-30MK top speed to Mach 1.9. Su-27SK Mach 2.15. Su-35 Mach 2.25. It is not budled together. these atleast in AAM configuration as Su-35 range is calculated with 4AAMs.
so it is reasonable presumed that they are more accurate.
see this long range stealth attack on aerial radiating target. the emphasis is on long range.
http://www.uacrussia.ru/en/models/military/su-35/
Possibility of medium- and long-range stealthy attack of aerial radiating targets;
the max range of meteor still classifed it likely have the same range as ramjet R-77M
btw you should read thisSource: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-strategic-forces/81157-sd-10-vs-aim-120-latest-versions-11.html#ixzz2P9yuc6Qh
BTW i think Rafale can carry Aim-120D toosu-35 have less top speed than f-15 = more drag ( if it have more powerful engine => this even more true ) , btw you still havenot gave me any link to support your point that su-35 can go beyond mach 2 with weapon
TVC only improve instantaneous turn rate not sustain turn rate no matter it 2D or 3D
it does not say anything about range despite SD-10 being 15 year newer missile than R-77 and R-77 likely to be export down graded. Its only electronics upgrade.
Reporter asked : Our SD-10 has a good ranking. Why do you say our SD-10 is more advanced than R-77?
Designer: We adopted some technologies more advanced than R-77’s, so SD-10’s overall performance is better than R-77’s. For instance, our strap-down initial navigation system, signal processing system are more advanced than R-77’s. Our missile was developed relatively later than R-77.Some new technologies were not mature when R-77 was developed, so R-77 didn’t use the new technologies, but when SD-10 was developed, the new technologies became mature, so we adopted the new technologies in SD-10.