almost every country now emphasis in BVR than WVR that is true
but my point is R-73 is not the same class as Mica understood , they designed for different purpose , compare them is like compared AIM-120 with Aim-9 they have different purpose => different advantages

AIM-120 came two decades later than AIM-9 and RVV-BD came two decades after AIM-120. or you think world stands still during that time.

i was talking about how thay calculate the ma range for missiles

it is only calculation at mach 1.2.

you put it in long range mission when bigger fighter have advantage against smaller fighter , but that not always the case , how about a fleet of su-35 want to attack an aircraft carrier with rafale on it 😀 ..etc , also what will happened when su-35 able to see an rafale with fuel tank from 400 km and su-35 pilot attack with missiles , then rafale drop it’s fuel tank => su-35 lost track on radar => waste missiles for nothing

when Su-35 see Rafale at 400km and has intention to launch attack. It will accelerate at full speed towards the Rafale and at about 200km range it will launch RVV-BD. Rafale pilot will be confused as such fast moving things coming after him and with load of missiles. Rafale pilot can only make decision at last 100km due to limition of Meteor range.

TVC dont improve your sustain turn rate
su-35 is heavier than Su-27 , it’s top speed also slower , how come it have higher top speed than F-15 ???? , and i dont really thing su-35 have more engine power than F-15

highly doubt Su-35 is going to be heavier than Su-27 as it has identical range with more powerfull engines and 4AAM. and its fuel capacity is 11,300kg. i highly doubt you even understand 3D TVC.

1-both the range for Mica and R-73 are in optimum condition , and Mica do have muchlonger range than R-73 ( aircraft fly at mach 1.2 against target fly in opposite direction at mach 1.2 at 25.000ft if iam not wrong ) dont try to turn it other way round
2-doesnot matter much , 2 km is not really a big deal compared to the max range of missiles , also , higher altitude your aircraft will also be less agile due to thinner air
3- F-15 have better top speed than su-35 so i dont think su-35 have sleeker profile ( i agree that it look sleeker but thing are not what it seem all the time )

optimum condition for which aircraft?. you simply dont understand concept of surplus power and surplus fuel capacity along with long range radar survellence. Su-35 pilot from the start will go into high altude mode. (it has 3600km rang with 4AAMs). while Rafale pilot will still plannning when to drop fuel tanks and what should he do when he does not have long range battlefield pix. There is TVC to compensate for less agility.
Su-35 top speed is different than old top speed of Su-27/F-15. It is aircraft with more power. so likely that with weopons its top speed will be higher.

Mica range at optimum condition is 80 km http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICA_(missile)
and the 40 km range of R-73 that you quote is also in optimum condition too
also rafale Service ceiling: 16,800 m , su-35 Service ceiling: 18,000 m => about 1.1 km different , not alot
Rafale can supercruise with missiles , and even with fuel tank 😎
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rafale+supercruise
btw can use so me any link say that su-35 can go above mach 2 with missiles load :rolleyes: ( su-35 is basically like russian F-15 , and F-15 have very hard time accelerate above mach 1.4 with missiles )

so R-73 from MIG-21/MIG-29/MIG-31 has same range.
Mica is missile for M2K/Rafale whose top end performance dont differ that much.
Those 18km is old specification from 2007. Now it is 19km for Su-35.
Su-35 is not F-15. it is much sleeker profile with more powerfull engines.

it just like an F-15
and
the range of missiles
R-73E: 20 kilometres (12 mi)
R-73M1: 30 kilometres (19 mi)
R-73M2: 40km (24.7 miles )
while the range of Mica is 80 km , rafale can supercruise faster than su-35 so your point is invalid

Mica range at optimum condition will be 60km+. incase of Su-35 flying at
19km height. it will have to use R-73 in look down mode.
Rafale can supercruise when empty. while Su-35 can engage afterburner when it is full. and goes all the way above Mach 2.
RVV-BD is officially part of Su-35 along with EP1.

http://www.uacrussia.ru/en/models/military/su-35/su-35_performance/
RVV-BD, R-27ER1, R-27ET1 or R-27EP1, RVV-AE, R-73E, AAM

see its interaction with Navy and its group protection suite.

http://www.uacrussia.ru/en/models/military/su-35/su-35_design/
The Su-35 features enhanced capacities for combat group operations and interaction with other forces (Air Forces, Army and Navies) during operations.

Combat survivability is ensured by two spaced engines, onboard systems redundancy, fuel tanks explosion protection, sophisticated electronic attack systems. Electronic countermeasure system consists of self/mutual protection and group-protection active jammer, guidance system for antiradiation missiles, radar and laser warning systems, missile attack warning system, chaff and flare dispenser.

deceptive jamming dont required high power , noise jamming require high power but can be easily defeat by home on jam
RVV-BD is not faster than Meteor , especially cruise and terminal speed as Meteor have an engine
rafale supercruise at mach 1.4 while su-35 do that at mach 1.2 i dont see how su-35 is faster ( btw neither of them will be able to reach max speed with missiles load )

easily defeat? where from you came to this conclusion. Rafale supercuise when its internal fuel is practically empty and very light load. No heavy external pods.
Meteor is 200kg class missile. not much fuel and certainly not strong motor. and combine with lack of experiance compared to Vympel and slow production rates. it will not get the continous upgrades needed.

So what you are saying is that semi-active missiles guided by Irbis are needed to defeat defensive EW and Meteor is going to be useless for the same reason. At the same time though the active seeker RVV-BD will be capable of outranging Meteor and downing Rafale before it could release.

Those two comments do contradict each other you are aware of that?.

These are not contridicting unless you want to interpret it in your own way.

Su-35 strong radar allows it to lock on at much greater distance and guide even faster missiles launched from faster more energy platform. by using RVV-BD early Flanker pilot will know what kind of evasive/electronic measures Rafale is going to deploy to defeat that missile.
This pix show the relative size of wing tip pods.
Rafale platform neither have the engine power nor capacity to carry such pods. It could carry some but it will have to sacrifice ET/Meteor capacity.

Without being uncharitable Paralay the below is a photo of a real Rafale firing a Meteor…

…how long until we see an equivalent image of an Su-35 firing one of these new missiles you talk of?.

RVV-BD has been in tests with MIG-31 upgrades for long time. The same maker of radar for both Su-35 & MIG-31.
IRBIS has another feature of guiding 4 semi active radar missiles at ranges greatert than 300km. so there is presumption that autonomous seeker will not be effective against counter measures. and since RVV-BD with large motor will have higher speed along with higher speed/altitude of Su-35 so it can reach the target much faster. that gives flexibility to Su-35 turn around much faster from incoming missiles at great ranges. bottom line is there is more likely hood of Rafale shot with Meteor being missed if it is launced from ranges greater than 100km. so Rafale cannot do much even if it knows Su-35 location.