L-15 barely enter production but how can they afford another engine.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121113/DEFREG03/311130005/China-8217-s-AVIC-Unveils-Future-Plans-Zhuhai?odyssey=nav|head
AVIC also announced plans to replace the L-15’s two Ukrainian-built Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F engines that power the prototypes with the “Minshan,” a new, indigenous-built twin-spool turbofan engine. AVIC officials claim the engine is an “all-Chinese” engine, but a defense industry source indicates it is based on the Czech DV-2 engine built originally for the L-59 trainer during the Cold War. The L-59 never entered production, but the DV-2 blueprints were obtained by China.

Only thing Chinese have said to public is that they are not in talks with Sukhoi. That makes me think that it’s Sukhoi officials trying to create buzz around the SU-35, and one way to create buzz is to claim they are going to get big order soon. SU-35 has not been exactly a great export success for Sukhoi.

They deny previously the agreement. but it does not mean they are denying the talks.

http://rusnews.cn/ezhongguanxi/ezhong_anquan/20120309/43366237.html

There is no bottleneck in J-10/J-11. but there capability and quality that may not be upto the standards. J-10 has very modest specification and we dont know the airframe life under various loads conditions. jf-17 has 4000hr life. still no mention of use condition. but it is a low speed, low altitude, and low g machine.

There is no evidence Chinese managed to increase internal fuel capacity of Flanker. There is no TVC integration. and certainly no Chinese Flanker will be able to lunch 5 300km+ ASM. RCS/Radar/Software/EW/Optotronics will be another difference.

PLAAF can play around with Chinese made products for couple years and see how they hold up.
but it is more hype than substance at this point.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/blogs/ain-blog-civil-aerospace-chinas-reputation-precedes-its-capability

jf17 is really like gripen but cheaper and no us restrictions. problem for now is crap engines. will get better when chinese built ones is completed.

Entire sucess of K-8 export is due to outside engines. i am skeptical China can manage so many engine programes at same time.
see two stealth fighter with diffrent engine requirements.

JSR

I am Portuguese, i have a midle income in Portugal, the lady who cames to my house once a week to clean it, is Ukranian… In the last half decade i had Ukranians, Bielorussians and Russians.

Apple and Orang comparision.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703937104576302883922114642.html
Details emerged on Portugal’s €78 billion ($115.5 billion) bailout

Portugal will be in same boat without this bailout as no one has given this much public funds to belarus/Ukraine . There is no bank loan exposure on same scale.

Bloody good workers, excelent people. They are here because the living conditions in Ukraine/Bielorussia for a teacher or a highly skiled technician are misery compared with what they can get here (Lisbon) cleaning houses..
. Even with every single problem that southern Europe has to contend we are still receiving an healthy dose of Imigration coming from Ukraine and Bielorussia.

It is probable that your receiving the bottom as they have to learn new language.

There´s no comparison between the living standard of a Portuguese or a Greek (dont even throw the Spanish in there, its another planet) and a Ukranian, a Bielorussian or even a Russian, the living standards here are vastly superior, even with all the cuts in income and higher taxes we have been getting. And yes i have been there (recently and shortly i admit), i would imagine that you´ve never been in Athens, Lisbon or Madrid.

Not necessary. much more people are moving in other direction.
http://themoscownews.com/local/20120924/190273642.html

Anyone who tries to compare Greece and Spain with Bielorussia or Ukraine doesnt have a single clue of what he´s saying, its like comparing Norway with Greece.

Mind you, we are from the poorest countries in Western Europe, every time that i´ve been to France or Germany, well, its an eye opener (loved the French part of the Pyrenees).

once bailouts are stopped , loans are repaid and manufacturing shifts let see how far those artificial standard of living survive.

Not really. Real weapons were just a fraction in export values when they were the main importers of US/SU weapons for decades. The Europeans will settle in for a defence spending of ~ 1 % of GDP similar Japan with the exception of the two nuclear armed ones like UK and France. 😎

Chinese aviation exports are fraction of total exports but they can afford all the defence programes without exporting a single one. practically same for Russia. to some extent for US.
your settling for 1% for GDP. your going lose all the scientific and industrial skills for come back. directly it may not seem profitable business but indirectly it has lot of benefits. and how do u know your better off with lower spending by following Japan example.

http://www.istockanalyst.com/images/articles/g8econs20121126962.jpg

see A400M and EF example. cooperative projects that have no upgrade future without exports. let alone lunching new projects. by procuring slower and in limited number your already settling for less than optimal product in time frame. so why spend 1%.

Attempted defence sales to UAE have no relevance in a thread about alternatives to the Mi-28N for Iraq.

You made baseless speculation that there would be sleepless night in Moscow based on some Iraki deal. I give you example that those kind of stituation simply not true in Russia case. It is more for BAE (waiting Pensioners dividends) or Dassualt a. That are trying for past 5 years to sell there jets to Sauid or UAE or even India with all its complexities of offsets, technology transfer, assembly lines, endless trials, issue over pricing for upgrades etc. This straight forward deal where Russia is doing favor with Iraq by sparing Mi-28. and those Mi-28 could be used against Kurds and those Kurds have long relationships with Soviets and are usefull in Syria situation. There is no such thing as tender as one side is doing a favor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Barzani#Exile_in_the_Soviet_Union
Barzani and his followers arrived in the Armenian SSR and were put in a camp near Nakhchevan.[11] After appealing to the Soviet Union to help them, Barzani and his followers were transferred to the Azerbaijan SSR, kept in camps near and around Baku. Barzani met with Azerbaijan Communist Party officials, who under orders from Moscow were told to help the Kurds.

Oh so we have moved from talking about helicopter engines where the dividing line between civil and military engines is non existent to talking about how quickly Lockheed Martin can service an F-16 contract. Talk about moving the goal posts! Lockheed Martin can move surprisingly quickly if needed servicing an F-16 order and the engines are competatively tendered between the F100 from PW and the F110 from GE! There is slack in F100 and F110 manufacture meaning there is plenty of scope to ramp up production quickly! So what are you basing your grand statement that Russia is super fast over anybody else at this…oh hang on yet again you bring up an issue of no relevance to the thread! Just for example GE was able to service a large follow on order of GE F-110 for the Saudi airforce within a few months of contract signing. I feel like I am beating my head against a wall!

Lockheed cannot move surprisgly quickly. the first down graded F-16 will arrive some 4.5 year after contract signing and with too few pilots. once Irakis find out that these are practically useless . They will desperately want Mig-35.