You anticipated me Paralay, I also have saved the article but just in case a discussion on defence spending would resurface again.

So, i’ll keep it the same, foor future uses.
I would just add a thing, same I have posted in comment section.

Money for military spending in Russian case doesn’t come, like in the west from citizen’s and private enterprises revenues but in great part from the export of oil, gas, minerals and timber i.e. from big, centralized and state owned firms.
They pass this money to other big, centralized and state owned firms, for acquiring high technology items at a reduced prize, while creating or maintaining workplaces in the process.
Opposition to military spending is so almost non-existent in Russia and what is generally considered a weakness in macroeconomic terms is instead an excellent thing when it come to keeping an high level of defence spending.

Russia does not spend that much compared to real size of its economy. it still has lowest spending what it does better is effecient R&D and full cycle industrial development with minimum labor.
in Civilain setup so competent people. imagine in military setup.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1402171/business-economy

you can read the whole interview. non scientific bankrupt approach to making planes.

https://www.unian.net/economics/transport/10531239-prezident-gp-antonov-aleksandr-donec-my-dolzhny-vernutsya-k-tomu-chto-umeem-delat-ochen-horosho-k-gruzovym-voennym-samoletam-eto-u-nas-vsegda-poluchalos.html

Why M88 needs 5 years to implement upgrade. unless French uses computers from 1980s.

There were supposed to be 12 project 22350 frigates by 2020, 8 yasen class SSGN, and two revamped project 1144 class ships by 2020. Nakhimov is a half a decade late if it meets the 2021 new deadline (no given).

it is not the size or number of huls but the technology of compactness and communication management for long range strike from small vessels. show me size of vessels or subs that can carry range of klibr missiles or new 9M96D missile. same missile both against missles and fighters. it is nothing short of technological revolution.

It’s clear that you know nothing about healthy debates. Spreading bull**** supported by a doubtful sources, groundless statements and sliding away from any answers backed by proofs is kinda a contrary thing to a “healthy debate”.

Results of 2018 for Russia: budget surplus of 2.74 trillion rubles. 42bn$ or 3.5 programs equal in cost to the PAK-FA. Russian economy is far from healthy shape, but it is “not broke enough” to not handle any important military program.

this budget surplus is after deducting for effective R&D and projects that will transform the world. it is not surplus from austerity savings.

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/articles/Gazprom-builds-biggest-gas-processing-plant.html

Most Air Combat happens at BVR. So, don’t think those TVC Fighters are going to be much help. In addition the core requirements for any 5th Generation Fighter is “Stealth and Sensor Fusion”. Which, is why India left the PAK-FA/FGFA (Su-57) Fighter Program in the first place. :rolleyes:

than why F-22 has TVC engine and why India accepted TVC engine in fighter. They could have bough simple Flanker design like China.

As for Engines China is generally still behind Russia. Yet, is gaining fast and will very likely surpass them in the near future. As they have the knowledge, desire, and most of all the money to do so!

catching up fast in engines? what scientific evidence you have to make such statement. start with trainer engine than helicopter engines.

Also, I love it when Russian Supporters complain about Chinese Engines and list it as a failure of their Stealth Designs. While, totally overlooking the fact. That China can buy as many Russian Engines as it likes and Russia will be happy to sell them…..

stealth designs are heavy. they need proper engine for optimum performance of range and sustainable speed.

Point here is it hardly matters if Chinese J-20’s or J-31’s have Russian or Chinese Engines. If, they can be acquired and produced in respectable numbers.;)

there is no evidence that Chinese can produce complex stuff faster than Russia.

if they are producing J-20 faster than T-50 it means J-20 is much simpler and less advance product.

just look at ARJ21 production rates. and the lack of composite materials in C919 (built with Russian titanium).

http://www.rusaviainsider.com/titanium-success/
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Lastly, what some just don’t seem to get. Is Russia is “no longer” the Super Power of the Soviet Era. It’s GDP is around that of Australia or Canada. It just doesn’t have the resources to keep up with China or even India. Let alone the US….

Nor, will it be able to fund all of the former Soviet Era Weapons it now has. That is just the cold hard truth and that truth is just around the corner!

It won’t be long before Russia starts buying Weapons from China. That is just the current reality……..

Australia and Canada do not have real GDP. they are raw material countries just like Brazil or Kazakhistan.

Russia exports are very fast. how fast 2nd batch of MIG-29K and MIG-29M were delivered to India and Egypt. MIG-29M is less advanced bird but it is from a 4th tier factory.
Those Su-57E will be implemented much faster just like S400.

It is as first Aesa presented many years ago…and any current fighter bring it yet.

First generation things are always primitive they are more like lab experiment.. look at the oldest car company Mercedes Benz first products. or some of the first cellular phones made in Nordic countries.

I think opinions are as the asses, everybody have one. But the important thing are the facts, not the words. I am not so optimist as you about all this. I do not tell on future Su-57 will be a dangerous fighter, but on this stage, it is nothing. I think it needs 5-10 years. Now it is very clear Turkey will be expulsed from F-35 Program, and Russia need take advantage about it and to look for Turkey joining Su-57 program. Then, they can to improve more fast than now, fresh money will be important for this program and unit/cost will down, because now it must to have a terrible cost/unit.

I do not wish eternal debate, you have your opinion, and i have mine, and we are not going to change it. I respect it.

do you know something about Chinese Wind?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c…92L0KE20130322

Putin has said he wants to “catch the Chinese wind in our economic sail”

Chinese wind size is now much smaller and is focused in one direction. not spread around world from Japan to Brazil. I mean these countries would stay in 1980s simple aviation products if there was no Chinese wind.
Embarer and Bombardier throw the towel despite having Chinese wind behind there countries for long time.. . Japan will play with Mitsubishi MRJ for the rest of its life. It has neither money nor technology.

https://gulfnews.com/uae/government/uae-russia-forge-strategic-partners…

UAE, Russia forge strategic partnership

https://aawsat.com/english/home/arti…eration-treaty

Egypt, Russia Sign Strategic Cooperation Treaty

I can easily foresee Su-57 production rates much higher than any other fighter. even Germany will be forced to buy it as the direciton of Germanic factories locations and all its critical imports will shift more to East.
Plus France will not have the same position in Middleast and Africa. Peter Altmaier who runs Germany finance has visit to Egypt. how Germany business will feel when all its foreign investment factories are protected by Russian air defence sytems and supplied by Russian energy firms. The same thing is repeated all the way to Vietnam. Turkey is next in line who has large dealings with Germany and whose energy will comes from Russia.Turkey simply dont have that much good relation with France. so why would Germany waste timea and money building a medicore 5G fighter with France?. with practically zero procurement base.