JSRExpect ca 10-15% less acquisition and 20-25% less operating cost, compared to Su-30MK2.
it is not a direct cost that is cheaper but the cost reduction in less skilled manpower that will maintain MIG-35 at much higher operational tempo than Su-24/Su-25 for war on terror. plus ability to have more flexibility in weopons, sensors and fuel tanks.
JSRYou do understand, that in order for MIG to keep producing fighters, someone actually has to order them up front!?
MIG is for sure in no shape to just keep producing airframes by the scores on MIG’s funds, and just hope a mediocre or small contract will fall from heaven.
MIG has well maintained factory and whole industrial chain. They will keep it that way to produce things.
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701061049328797-russia-fighter-jet-test-flights/
This is a very profitable business, even from an economic point of view, not to mention the country’s security, because it is Russia’s segment of light fighters which boasts the most extensive export potential. So we don’t conceal the fact that we are going to compete with our rivals in this segment of the market,” Rogozin said.
The aircraft can reach speeds of Mach 2.23 and fly as high as 19,000 meters.
For example, the jet’s sighting system designed for ground targets looks is made in the form of a swing container; it was developed with the help of advanced space technologies,” the source said.
JSRHow many must they order for the whole thing to float, do we know?
why will there be limit on production?. The factory is designed for MIG-35 and workers are skilled in making them. they will be built until some thing else comes along. Ruaf is hundreds of airframes short.
JSRThe thing is B1/B52/F-16/F-18/A10/drones already exist. You don’t have to wait for 2030 for them to come into service. MiG was just too late.
MIG has separate factory and industrial chain. It’s not late at all. Why it will need wait untill 2030?. It will start replacing Su-24/Su-25.
JSRThe more I think about it, the more the MiG 35 seems like a waste of time and resources. I think it’s a dead end and probably has been for a while now. I am sad MiG doesn’t/hasn’t/won’t come up with a 5th gen design -even if privately funded (plenty of ridiculously rich oligarchs in Russia).
MIG35 is neither waste of time or resources. Large airforce cant rely on one company and few factories to built war planes. there so many reasons for that.
5G fighters are complete failure to use in 90% of situations. just look B1/B52/F-16/F-18/A10/drones with external weopons. where are stealth fighters with internal weopons.
JSRHating’? no I’m just sorry for it: it would had became a great plane if they would have supported its development at the same level of Su-35.
Now, its development will end after the PAK-FA one.
the end product of MIG35 will be better as the engine will have experience from MIG29/JF17 and advancement in semiconductors make 3D tiled AESA reality. plus the new strike weopons like Grom family just entering service.
the point is effectiveness of MIG35 depends on advancements in subsystems and weopons. MIG35 entering 10 years ago wont be effective than MIG29SMT.
In mean time Gripen NG became overwight and Rafale is stuck with that 7.5ton engine and no possibility of increasing nose size and no new weopon integration. competitors are already outdated for post 2020 fight.
they were producing 9000kgf.
http://www.klimov.ru/files/pdf/en_presskit/Klimov_Company_on_Chinese_market.pdf
In 1993 – the works were started. There was signed the General contract on the experimental-design works on development of the power plant for FC-1 Super-7 fighter. The engine thrust rating: 8000-9000kgf. At present the performance flight tests of the airplane are being carried out.
they are going to 12ton capacity.
http://www.klimov.ru/files/pdf/en_presskit/KLIMOV_presentation.pdf
turbojet airplanes of military application including drones–thrust range 100-12,000 kgf
JSRComplains about respect, lmao.
Your superstitions warrant no inherent respect, end of story.
You being ignorant about the negative effects your wonderful Church has on minorities of certain kinds is your problem not mine. The civilized world is moving away from your archaic “heritage”.Oh and for most of the history of Russian aviation, aircraft were not blessed with priests, so a “tradition” and “heritage” it is not.
The success of Israeli airforce because its a Jewish state despite low education constraints.
https://www.rt.com/news/359206-education-israel-jews-orthodox/
Jewish studies more important than science & math – Israeli education minister
Its time for Russia declare an Orthodox state and act accordingly. banks will be filled with money and even better airforce will be created.
JSRRussian media is a joke re. any politicized discussion, save a few online and radio sources. Who cares what they have to say?
Blah blah blah great success blah blah blah billions of arms contracts because Su-34 can drop an iron bomb on some beardies blah blah no analogues blah blah blah Europe is overrun by muslims/gays depending on the day of the week.
do you think bombs are made of plastic that you are making fun of iron bombs. the capability of Su-34 is its over 12 ton fuel load repeatedly lift per day to drop bombs at time of choosing. flexibility of greater fuel capacity for loitering time (remember the F18 episide where they have to refuel)and big sensors allow it.
JSRDo you actually follow the program? Canada has again paid their dues to be part of the industrial program and has stated that the F-35 will be part of the open competition held in a few years, despite the Liberals promising during the election it wouldn’t.
Australia has already ordered 16 jets and it committed for an initial total of 75, with the next 25 to be decided by 2025.
When you say Trumpland I assume you mean the US and in that case why does the US need to improve credibility of the jet when it is literally now ordering it by the hundreds…I asked for names, all of them are who? Who has an active competition to replace their current fighter fleet with a new jet and believes the F-35 lacks credibility?
There is no logical reason to send it. There are already plenty of aircraft in the AO more than capable of handling the low intensity conflict. There is no rule that all new aircraft need to be deployed to an AO after IOC.
When did Australia ordered 16 planes. Australia procurement is now very slow.
JSRthey are building the right weopons for joint air-sea battle. ships-subs will become smaller in size but they will get sensor information from Air/Space.
http://tass.com/defense/866211
Russian Black Sea Fleet may be able to fire missiles at targets in Persian Gulf — admiral
http://tass.com/defense/926145
Russia is developing advanced hypersonic weapons — ministry
Russia expects a serious breakthrough in the field of laser and electromagnetic weapons, the Russian Defense Ministry says
JSRA few months ago we had a few Russian chaps here talking about taking the Bosphorus…
those chaps were right. Putin made mistake unless there is something under the table of Turkey usefulness.
Russia attack on Turkey would have close done all pipelines passing through Turkey. that will have dramatically raise gas prices. on top of that Russia alliance with Kurds/Iranians/Egyptians would have cemented. not to mention Serbians/Armenians/Greek. blacksea would have completely landlocked.
Wealthy arab investors are the first to flee when country is under attack. Its very important for Russia to get Syrian and Libyan bases for such operations.
Russia military is well respected in Middleast. It need to use it more and decisively.
https://www.libyaherald.com/2017/01/11/hafter-helicoptered-to-russian-carrier-for-formal-visit/
Hafter helicoptered to Russian carrier for formal visit
Hafter watched Sukhoi Su-33 fighters taking off and landing on the carrier deck.
The Kuznetsov‘s arrival became clear yesterday when Moscow warned all aircraft to stay away from an area of Libyan coastal waters. Overnight Tobruk went into security lockdown with roadblocks manned by police and soldiers
JSROk, take your moronic, trolling, dog and pony show to a new thread. Obviously, you cannot read documents, have no interest in actually discussing (since everything you post has been rebutted, but you repost it) the topic.
Maybe then, the rest of us can have an intelligent discussion.
does Trump knows cost of F-35.
BAE Chairman: Trump seeks F-35 cost reductions ‘into double digits’
JSRIt make a very big different depend on what Su-27 model you compare Su-35 with. If you compare the first Su-27 series with Su-35 then i think it only fair for me to compare F-16E and early F-16A.Which mean along with these change i listed earlier, there are also horizontal stabilizor size change, dorsar spine , CFT mounts , station 4/6 wiring , bigger air intake. Later F-16 series also have strengthen landing wheels.
The bottom line is F-16E , Su-35 , Gripen E ..etc even though get alot of change, they are still more or less the derivative of the original version with similar aerodynamic layout, and cant really be considered a completely different aircraft like in F-35 vs F-16 case or F-35B vs Harrier. So to compare their development time is pretty nonsense IMHO
none of the changes in F-16E/F-18E make them a better flying fighter or longer range where previous models cant do with upgrades. infact they have gained weight massively.
that how 1st,2nd, third, 4th, 5th generation fighters are defined.
you cant upgrade fighter with TVC.
http://rbth.com/why_the_indonesian_air_force_wants_the_su-35_45943.html
“The Su-35 would be launching its weapons from high supersonic speeds around Mach 1.5 at altitudes greater than 45,000 ft; the F-35 would primarily be operating in the 30,000-ft range at speeds around Mach 0.9.”Sergey Ptichkin of Rossiyskaya Gazeta says the Su-35S is almost identical to the Russian T-50 in terms of the on board electronics suite, control systems and armament. “Therefore it will not prove difficult for pilots to convert to the classic fifth generation fighter with its obligatory stealth technology: any pilot who has assimilated the Su-35S can easily convert to the T-50,” he says
JSRMost of Chinese contacts for R-77 from late 90s. high unlikely they using missiles from those batches.
JSRWith the exception of TVC and new pylon pretty much everything can be applied to F-16E vs F-16C too
+ glass cockpit
+ MIL-STD-1553 data bus is replaced by MIL-STD-1773 which offer 1000 times increase in data handling capabilities
+ IRST ( from nothing to Falcon Eye )
+ new EW system ( from ASQ-213 to Falcon Edge )
+ new engines ( from F-110 GE-129 to F-110 GE 132)
+ new radar ( from APG-68v9 to APG-80 )
..etc.
If we was to compare F-16E with earlier block 40/42 then there are even more different
What is the non afterburning thrust of F16E? what is the difference in load distribution of paylons. what fuel increase. Su-35 increase to 14 from 10. and each one provide more weopon flexibility.
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