JSRI would put it a bit differently: This is why NATO is working on methods of countering not only the S-400, but other future SAM systems. The forward deployment of S-400 systems to locations where their coverage footprint extends deep into NATO airspace has probably acted as a ‘wake up call’ to the West. The S-400 and its successors will not be allowed to create no-go zones for NATO air operations.
Nato cant deal with Russia air defense system that why Nato former Sec Gen is now pleading in public for more.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-united-states-must-be-the-worlds-policeman-1474412665
The United States Must Be the World’s Policeman
Syria the high efficiency of S400 enable to keep a lot of areas of Syria out of bombing range of other airforces and the it enable the most punishing airstrikes in history at very high sorties generation rate. once the grounds are cleared the air umberalla will be extended. operating airdefense sites is very complex thing it need total protection and resupply on the ground.
The S-500 is allegedly only just starting trials, so is probably some way from deployment. All the indications suggest that it is a THAAD-style ABM system.
It is not Thaad style system.
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Since JSR is so convinced that Meteor is out of date, he might be interested to get a glimpse of the sort of technology that went into the R-77 missile.
The photo shown above is a closeup view of part of the seeker used in the RVV-AE version of the R-77. Observe the use of traditional ‘looms’ of electrical wiring, held in shape by loops of high-technology string. Back in the early/mid 1960s I learned how to make this sort of cable loom, but instead of string we used fine black nylon cord. Nothing very high-tech here, I’m afraid. The brochure on the R-77 seeker shows similar construction methods.
Note also the presence of old-style discrete components – a transistor and some resistors – on the small circuit board at the right-hand side of the photo. These are far from state-of-the-art electronics.
That is not to say that the seeker of the R-77 does not incorporate high-technology digital electronics, but according to the seeker’s designer, some of the integrated circuits were imported from the USA. The current production version may now use the equivalent Russian components, but the seeker originally used digital signal processor chips from Motorola and Texas Instruments.
That’s what i expected from you showing pics of three decades old construction methods. It is understood that Soviet system was behind in electronics but that is not new Russian system of industrial implementation.
JSRGiven that this is their first at bat with tactical fighter stealth, that simply won’t happen.
real innovative system make it right on first attempt without wasting money on R&D.
JSRI take your point, Obligatory. To borrow a useful phrase from John Kerry, JSR seems to be living in a ‘parallel universe’.
this quality of US politician. instead of focusing on his own country issues he is wasting his limited time on a faraway dead horse.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-biden-idUSKCN11S059
Biden said he has spent two to three hours a week on the phone with Ukrainian leaders since the crisis began, urging them to persist with reforms
He cannot tell the difference between a propaganda service owned by the Russian government and an open-source intelligence organisation.
what is so intelligent. state organzations are feed bay actual data from state enterprizes for exportable product.
He thinks that he knows more about EW than the textbooks, trade journals, and technical papers on the subject of internal versus pod-mounted EW systems. (Perhaps he should have attended this year’s European EW conference, and told the presenter of a paper on internal versus pod-mounted EW systems that Sukhoi had come up with a definitive answer that has somehow eluded the world’s EW industry, and that the speaker and his audience were wasting their time.)
millions of people read the same text books but only few can built the actual stuff that competitively works.
He pronounces a missile developed in the 2000s as being based on obsolete concepts, and sees a Russian missile developed in the 1980s as being somehow superior. Yet the basic concept of the R-77 is similar to that of AMRAAM, a US missile based on technology-demonstration missile programmes of the late 1970s.
Flanker and Fulcrum is also based on 1970s technology but updated with 21st century manufacturing, materials ,electronics, software intelligence that’s why they can operate round the clock operations with diverse weopons from Arctic to Deserts.
JSRSeriously? You are citing SPUTNIK as a source? I would not trust Sputnik to tell me the weather conditions outside their office, let alone anything about defence.
whats wrong with the source? the source is right more than often to comparable sources like Janes.
We do not know the maximum range of Meteor, but the rival FMRAAM design offered by Raytheon had a range of 150 km.
these are paper projects like overweight F-15 with TVC that cant carry anything.
Since when was carrying big EW pods on the wing tips a desirable feature of a fighter? Gripen carries an internal EW suite.
when Sukhoi showed up with big pods. internal EW is for weak.
The relative virtues of pods versus internal suites has long been a matter of debate in the EW community. The consensus is that both arrangements have their advantages and disadvantages – there is no ‘best’ solution.
it hasn’t been debated. Sukhoi settled it with outside pods. and smaller planes cant take big internal ew suite anyway.
The idea that Meteor is a 30 year old design has reared its head before in the forum. It was nonsense then, and is nonsense now. Meteor development started in 2002. Development of the R-77 started in the early 1980s.
late development does not mean the technology behind is new. it is outdate before it enter service.
Sweden is no slouch in defence technology, and what they do, they do well. More than 20 nations operate the RBS70 missile system.
you are living in 70s-80s. when things become complex and each system is entering fifth generation a lot of countries falling behind. they cant compete anymore.
for example how many countries can built fourth or fifth generation nuclear reactors alone and on time compared that to 1960s simplistic models.
JSRThe point is they shouldn’t make stupid claims about radars/missiles/ew/aerodynamics. Sweden sold practically every brand overseas and those brands are considered medium tech relative to high tech fighter aircrafts of 21st century. Three is only one or maximum two countries they can do complex heavy engg stuff in military- industrial complex. The rest creates joint ventures-subsidaries.
JSRIt takes one or two years for implementing the results of operations into newer systems.
http://rbth.com/defence/2016/09/14/russia-to-test-new-missiles-in-syria-later-this-year_629957
JSRSummary of the capacities of the mk4 version of the PS-05/A radar:
http://saab.com/globalassets/publications-pdfs/aeronautics/gripen/ps_05_a_fighter_radar_brochure.pdf
Significant improvements in tracking range, and also ECCM improvements. I wonder if Sweden will implement this upgrade? Seems like a no-brainer, in combination with the Meteor it should make for a quite lethal BVR system even against “LO” targets.
Gripen is aerodynamically obsolete concept. it cant carry big EW pods in the wing tips. when equipped with Meteor itself a 30 year old concept. now you can drop mentioning Meteor advantage in every thread.
this is the range of missile for China.
https://sputniknews.com/military/20160917/1045416113/china-fighter-jet-russia-su35.html
The fighter jet comes armed with K-77M radar-guided missiles with a range of over 120 miles (193km) providing pilots with standoff capabilities ensuring pilot protection
JSRCome January support for rebels will likely shift to true moderates, not the phoney baloney moderates we support today. Syria is messed up with so many evil elements, I’m looking forward to the coming stability
Taking a decision and implementing a decision takes a while. I don’t expect anything until summer of 2017 practically.
new equipment based on Syrian experience is implemented.
https://sputniknews.com/russia/20160919/1045472460/russia-helicopters-camera.html
After analyzing the results of its aerial campaign in Syria, Russia’s Defense Ministry has decided to test a unique 360 degree targeting system for its Mi-35 Super Crocodile helicopter gunships and Mi-8AMTSh Terminator transport helicopters, Izvestia reported
Plus if they don’t want US support they will be not called moderate. we have to see showdown between Turkey and US.
http://www.trtworld.com/mea/erdogan-says-us-is-stoking-tension-with-syrian-opposition-189403
Syrian opposition forces do not want interference from US special forces, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Monday.
JSR80 troops dead? I guess it goes to show just how effective US bombing is – when they actually manage to target the correct “enemy” forces.
That number is from Syrian. There is no way to verify who died in which part of Syria.
JSRYou mean, ISIS?
There is a lesson for Russia here too: Never trust the US.
They not trust but they want to use US to bomb isis/aq and hoping that US will make mistakes and bomb Shiites also in the process. same thing is happening on borders with israel.
JSRRussia produces its own energy, weopons and is now big food exporter. it is leader in top 20 industrial minerals.
Russia military might attract investments and Chinese tourists.
https://sputniknews.com/russia/20160913/1045266095/russia-tourism-foreigners.html
Welcome With Open Arms: Russia Becomes More Popular Among Foreign Tourists
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/russia/20160913/1045266095/russia-tourism-foreigners.html
JSRUS strength: they devote an humongous amount of money into it,
and field it a lot sooner than any other nation do, even on the cases where other nations are on par research wise.Chinese has a sort of stewardship towards their children, to leave them better off than the parents were,
much much more so than any other race i ever encountered, this, combined with an infathomable greed
points towards accumulating wealth with no end in sight, which will have a direct impact once they caught up,
and as future evolutions promises ever more investment
Chinese accumulation of wealth (that is another debate whether its real wealth that increase country dependence on imported energy, increase pollution) is concentrated in coastal cities of China and coastal cities of US/Canada/Australia. these coastal cities are not known for aerospace and heavy military engineering. California cant make fighter or heavy choppers or a tank
50% of F-35 is built from parts outside US.
In 21st century. At most those so called Chinese STEM graduates can work on some internet crap or some self driving cars software using Japanese battery technology .
this is called practical improvement globally.
http://gpsworld.com/gnss-systemreceiver-designconsumer-gpsglonass-12359/
One-chip GPS/GLONASS receiver trials in London, Tokyo, and Texas sought to demonstrate that the inclusion of all visible GLONASS satellites in the position solution, in addition to those from GPS, produces much greater availability in urban canyons, and in areas of marginal availability, much greater accuracy.
JSRDo you have a source you can sight about russian design teams?
there many others temprorary engineer import also for projects.
http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/company/key_orgs/boeing-international/pdf/russia-cisbackgrounder.pdf
Boeing Technical Research Center
In 1993, Boeing opened the Boeing Technical Research Center (BTRC) in Moscow. Boeing cooperates with leading Russian research institutes to develop new materials for the aerospace industry. More than 600 Russian scientists and IT specialists work on Boeing contracts in flight science, titanium materials and technologies, flight safety training and IT.Boeing Design Center
The Boeing Design Center (BDC) in Moscow is the largest design center for computer-aided design of aerospace structures outside the United States. The BDC consists of nearly 250 Boeing direct employees managing a team of 1,200 contract engineers from Russian and Ukranian aerospace companies Ilyushin, Sukhoi Aviation Corp. and Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center, and private engineering services companies NIK Research and Engineering Co. and Progresstech.
http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2015/03/10/u-s-titanium-supply-russia/
For instance, the United States currently imports around 79% of the titanium used in the production of civilian and military aircraft, as well as other important commercial uses.
But here’s where this gets downright frightening.
Russia’s Verkhnyaya Salda Metallurgical Production Association (VSMPO) is the major titanium supplier to Boeing (BA) and United Technologies (UTX).
Meaning two American defense firms are currently at the mercy of Vladimir Putin.
JSRUS strength is technology base.
Weakness is the bloated, risk adverse government acquisition bureaucracy which drags out development programs for 20 years. In the 40s and 50s airplanes were designed built tested and delivered within 24 months. If a problem was found it was quickly corrected in the “B” version of the airplane. The.old way was more responsive to operational needs faster and cheaper.
If US has technology base than why Boeing using Russian design teams in its civilian airlines and titanium. why it is using Japanese composites.
technological base means free from imports both human and material.
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