TonyNone of the things you just said is what anyone thought, or believed. You’re just stereotyping.
Unfortunately Angela, you work from home and need to talk to people outside your immediate circle because I meet people everyday who blame their disappointment in their work or life or career on someone else and get very angry and say I hate those *******s in the EU telling me what to do! (sound familiar?)
Name one EU rule that stops you doing what you want and that you’ll be able to do once we’re outside the EU?
On the other hand EU rules stop people working so long that through tiredness they crash into other cars…..the EU stopped imports of meat from the US stuffed with animal hormones…..the new ultra low emission zones will reduce the number of people currently dying because of diesel fumes…..we’ll have some of the cleanest air in big cities because of EU rules…….cleaner beaches are already there.
My question was those particular angry people who voted leave (which is not all of them as there are genuine concerns about the EU which clearly can and must be made much better) is who will they blame now when they realise their life won’t change now that we’re out of the EU, and things will get worse before they get better?
I heard a woman say she voted leave because now we can spend £350m a week on the NHS! A complete porkie pie that many fell for hook, line and sinker! Falcondude also mentioned people thinking jobs will now come back here! (instead of going to a place where they make things cheaper)…..these people have been lied to and are expecting a positive improvement to their lives as a result of Brexit that won’t happen…..if we go from strength to strength it will be in spite of and not because of Brexit.
There are legitimate concerns about sovereignty and nothing to do with immigration……but unfortunately a lot of people used that as their main point without realising there is a demographic time bomb with not enough young people working and paying taxes to fund future pensions….I disagree with your contention that immigrants from Poland and elsewhere don’t pay enough taxes because they are on minimum wage….these immigrants make a positive net tax contribution without which our economy would be more moribund……London for example is the place of choice for new IT and Hi-tech start ups instead of elsewhere in Europe because we speak English and there is a well trained pool of talent available with all the support structure and in a pleasant working environment.
France have gone 2-0 up…..there may be more!
TonyI knew it, a Porsche driver, it was only logical.
That’s a bit churlish of you Angela!
Your scoffing at “hairdresser’s” cars is typical of the mind set that buys stuff not to enjoy but show off to the neighbours!
MSphere lives in Norway I believe, a fairly well off and laid back country, where people are not usually in competition with their neighbours or interested in showing off anyone and he only mentioned it in passing without even naming his car until pressed by Sinatra and me. ….if he can afford a ten year old Carrera for pure enjoyment why not?…..if you’ve never seen wheeler dealers there’s nothing better than driving a convertible on a sunny day 😉
Back to more important matters with the second half coming up and France 1-0 up 😉 It’ll be close and more to come!
TonyThe EU has two Parliaments! : one in Brussels and one in Strasbourg (not including Luxembourg).
The whole lot in Brussels have to move to France every few months and with the huge waste of duplicated facilities this is just insane!
Who pays the bill for having duplicate expensive facilities because the French wanted to have a parliament on their soil? Everyone just because they the French wanted one! I say choose just one parliament and pay for just one! If it was your money you wouldn’t do it, so if the French want one of their own let them pay for it themselves. With the UK out good luck with someone raising this!
I understand that 10,000 EU bureaucrats (somebody got a source?) are paid more than the Prime Minister…..this can’t be right…by the way some of the worst offenders of filling their boots at the EU trough were UKIP MEPs who put their own family on the payroll to the tune of millions.
Other questions kicked into the long grass by the bureaucrats is that the EU accounts have not been signed off for 20 years! What public or private company would allow that? And the whistle-blower lost her job and was harassed!
By the way The Sun newspaper, owned by Rupert Murdoch, owner of Newscorp, backed Brexit and Murdoch posed the day after the vote with Donald Trump (who was opening his new golf course in Scotland)……he didn’t say anything but just smiled for the benefit of Dave Cameron to say you screwed me and now I’ve screwed you!
Despite the Sun backing Brexit, Liverpool was one of the few cities in the North that voted remain…..it’s no coincidence that many don’t buy the Sun there after the lies it printed about the Hillsborough disaster when 96 football fans died. the Sun made up lies saying e.g. football fans were to blame when it was recently proven is was really a cover up by the police….lies like the fans were stealing from dead, attacking police, ambulance workers etc. were just made up.
Murdoch didn’t like it when he had to close his cash cow, The New of the World newspaper, after the hacking scandal and Cameron cut off all meetings (a big change when Tony Blair would fly half way round the world to Australia to meet Murdoch just for a few hours!)…. The Sun’s support for Brexit was his way of pay back ;-)…..Murdoch also owns Fox News in the USA and the Wall Street Journal.
France just scored! Allez les Bleus!:D
TonyYou raise a very good point here. The devaluation of the pound would likely cancel out the affect of tariffs, even if they did happen.
You’ve realise imports would cost more as well?
The UK trade deficit in the first quarter was the biggest since 2008 at £13.3 billion (although April was not too bad)…..George has already said borrowing will not meet targets this year……growth in the first quarter was only 0.4%, it’s expected to be around 1.5-2% for the year….that’s in our “normal” range…..nothing to get too excited about or unduly concerned in the current climate.
Spitfire has made a number of good points re aviation manufacturing……trade works both ways with punitive measures against us likely to re-bound, but never discount the stupidity of politicians who will cut off their noses to spite their face ;-).
We will continue to do well, in spite of and not because, of Brexit.
TonyWell, I think that some folks here are everything but interested in hearing different perspectives.. They have their own limited FOV and they want to stay in their isolated bubbleworld.. But UK has been perceived as Greatness of the Past by many and this Brexit thing only has confirmed that they have lost visions decades ago.. which is a pity..
Just plain S convertible, year 2005..
I wouldn’t worry too much about the people still stuck in the 1950s because they only want to hear what they want to hear and are never going to change…..and they won’t appreciate you giving them your perspective (you’ll get two fingers for your trouble and that doesn’t spell V for victory! 😉
The world has changed and moved on. We can’t go back to a mythical never-was land of warm beer and cricket and Dixon of Dock Green the local copper saying “evening all”, where the villains never robbed “innocent” people and only stole from other villains and they loved their mums! (“I’m top of the world ma…” wipes tear from eye).
Not everyone is like that thankfully or thinks like that….remember it was pretty close with just 2% in it….most young people are aware in this day and age that world trade is global and interconnected…..that of course doesn’t mean you can’t honour and value the past, or defend your borders…..can’t believe some people now think we’re going to get all the old traditional jobs back! ….when they’ve gone for good to places that can make things more cheaply.
If leavers remain disappointed with their lives or things don’t or haven’t work out the way they would want, they won’t then be able to blame someone else or the EU…..one change that is important is enable policies to spread more money throughout the country and not just London and the south so then everyone can at least get the same chance to do well or better than they doing now which is only fair.
One surprise leavers will find is there won’t be £350m a week left over to spend on the NHS because the day after the vote Nigel said sorry that was a mistake!:D
It’s a pity as you say, but in 15-20 years time, ask the same question and you might get a different reply….
The S convertible is a nice car to go to work and back!
TonyI’ve thought you guys use need a little feedback on how a citizen of continental Europe sees you and all this mess with Brexit…
Yes, it’s always good to get a different perspective……people will find it more helpful to see what it looks like from outside than just keep hearing the same old stuff (stuff you already believe in!) confirmed by mates down the pub.
Part of the reaction is a generational thing…..the world has moved on but some people want to go back to the 1950s…..some think they still are in the 1950s!
The Jaguar F-type is a car and a half…..while yours is not too bad either 😎 is it the 4S?
Tonyand I also think you’ve been genuinely deceived by Boris and Nigel who have quickly shown their true faces and absconded as fast as they could..
Boris was shafted by Michael Gove…..imagine going for dinner with him and making a few off the cuff remarks and thinking will Gove’s wife Sarah Vine, who works for the Daily Fail, write about it in tomorrow’s paper!
As for Nigel, he’s resigned before! Let’s see if he will actually go this time ;- )
TonyA fall in the pound can have economic benefits (but see below), but why did the pound fall? Because Brexit was seen by those buying & selling pounds for or as a business as at best, introducing damaging uncertainty, & at worst, causing direct economic harm.
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Hi Swerve, you are right for Britain the only currency that matters is the dollar as the Pound is at a 31 year low.
Funnily enough the FTSE 100 has gone up…..seems counter-intuitive but this is because more than three quarters of it is made up of global companies that have income streams not in pounds but get income from other currencies so it’s gone up.
The real hurt to the British economy can be seen in the FTSE 250 which is mainly UK based companies which hasn’t recovered as much.
The £150 billion help announced today by the highly regarded (Canadian!) Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England, is supposed to encourage banks to
lend to business won’t actually get to the businesses that need it.
Few companies employ tens of thousands of people…..about 7 out 10 firms employ 10 or fewer, the engine of the country. Much of this money I suspect will not go to small businesses who desperately need cash, but end up shoring up the balance sheets of banks (which are ten times
stronger (by requirement) than in 2008) rather than put to good use in small companies.
When money is so cheap (negative interest rates for keeping money in Swiss or German banks..you pay money to keep money in a Swiss bank=means their
currencies expected to appreciate) at 0.86% for UK Gilts (better than US 10 year bonds at 1.45%) means now is the time for borrowing to finance infrastructure
projects like Crossrail 2 and High Speed Rail 2.
As a rule of thumb it takes a hour to get to work by tube in London regardless of whether you’re going 5 stops or 10 stops…..with the new fast railway lines
planned to come on stream….some by 2019 (hopefully funding will get the green light)…..you can live on the South Coast in a decent sized house not too expensive and be in London in 55 minutes…….connectivity to London and between other cities in the Midland and North via fast and reliable train services will be a worthwhile and beneficial investment while providing employment and boost the economy by spreading cash while they are being built.
It’s worth mentioning the UK has one of the lowest rates of corporation tax in the West.
USA 40%
France 33.3%
Germany 29.72%
Spain 25%
UK 20%
Ireland 12.5%
The UK corporation tax rate is already planned to go down further to 19% in 2017, then 18% in 2018 & 2019 and finally to 17% in 2020.
I am not sure if cutting the rate even further to 15% will happen if George is no longer chancellor, but it is sending a signal that company tax rates in the UK will be almost half that of France & Germany. A great place for business.
If the London and German stock exchanges do agree on a merger, the merged exchange will be based in London, a global centre….this is because while the FTSE fell the German exchange fell even more. France and Germany can then fight it out for the Euro business currently dealt with in London…but as a global city London will weather that.
Tonysigma4, I am curious. Are you actually from the UK? It’s just that you use phrases and words which are not British.
You know, more like someone who learned English on the internet or from an American. For someone claiming so much for the new Britain, I think it a question worth asking.
Good question MrMalaya….I was going to ask myself.
I’ve seen the answer by the way.
TonyA Italian from Scotland! Paolo Nutini singing live……Candy
For anyone in the anti-commie vigilante patrol this decadent video was filmed in Cuba!
TonyGlasgow’s finest: The Marmalade
Written in 1969 by guitarist Junior Campbell and singer Dean Ford….powerful song and lyrics about looking back…..Reflections……what a great song!
TonyGary Moore RIP……old school guitar player who played with the heart…..and blew Eric Clapton out of the water
Still got the blues…..live
TonyAnd I miss you…..like the deserts miss the rain….
This was the 90s! Missing by Everything but the Girl
someone in the comments put it better than I could:
Juan de Jinite3 days ago
This song perfectly reflects the missing.. it never ends…it never stops hurting…..and is felt most in quiet moments [when] your heart drifts to the memory of that person. It leaves you wondering whether they are thinking of you at that moment, or whether they have really moved on…..the hardest love is that which died ahead of its time.
TonyThe lovely Corrine Drewery singing live….Am I the same girl?
TonyGreat song…..written and sung by Amy Whitehouse…..Love is a losing game
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