A selfmade Chinese claim. The Chinese market comes at the third place in the moment, the other rising markets aside.
Why let your prejudices get the best of you?
http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/…_05_03_10.html
“It’s the largest market outside the U.S. for commercial airplanes, period,” said Jim Simon, the Boeing vice president who oversees sales in China. “The potential growth in demand for air travel as China’s economy grows is staggering.”
Boeing and Airbus had never had any licensing issue with China.
China is in fact, the most important battleground for aviation growth. If Bombardier or Embraer can’t compete in the Chinese market place, they are pretty much doomed to the second tier.
Anyone who has any connection and understanding of commercial aviation would know that China is THE dominant strategic market place that will make or break your company. There is nothing that can replace this market especially with the world barely recovering from recession and the Eurozone collapsing.
http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/05/bca_shanghai_expo_05_03_10.html
In the past nine years, the commercial airline fleet in China has more than doubled to more than 1,300 airplanes. The number of commercial airline passengers soared from 83 million to 202 million during that same period, according to the International Civil Aviation Organization.
Between now and 2028, Chinese airlines are expected to purchase 3,770 new airplanes -with a market value of $400 billion, according to Boeing’s latest Commercial Market Outlook.
“It’s the largest market outside the U.S. for commercial airplanes, period,” said Jim Simon, the Boeing vice president who oversees sales in China. “The potential growth in demand for air travel as China’s economy grows is staggering.”
Boeing is not the only airplane manufacturer vying for a piece of this important market. Airbus has been as active as Boeing in courting orders from Chinese airlines. Last May, the first Airbus A320 assembled in a new joint venture plant in Tianjin took to the air. Additionally, China’s aerospace industry is preparing to produce its own commercial airplanes, starting with a 737-size model, in the next five years.
“That’s going to happen. We have to find a way in China to both partner and compete,” said Randy Tinseth, Boeing vice president of Marketing. “I’m confident we can find a way through that.”
Now with Sukhoi, we don’t know if Sukhoi has a case. We don’t know if China had bought the technology. At any rate, the question is moot since Russia isn’t part of the WTO and Russians themselves never saw IP as something to be protected.
With military equipment, every nation with the capability will attempt to be self-sufficient. Being able to build the J-11 or J-15 at home is far more important than losing any future Sukhoi contract.
Sukhoi and Embraer are tow of the most important companies in the aerospace sector Embraer is the third largest and Sukhoi wasnto become as good with the T-50 and Superjet. In few years is unlikely China will get more investment if those practices continue, India will be a betetr candidate as well as Brazil and Mexico in fact Embraer might move from China to Russia
One, you’re confusing military with commercial. China can’t get military offsets from the US or any western country. So if Mexico is making harnesses for the F-16 and F-22, it is not work that China can ever get.
Two, commercial aviation markets are heavily tied to offsets. China will demand and get huge chunks of work from Airbus and Boeing simply because it can. You can either give work to China or you can forgo that market. Mexico cannot replace the Chinese market. Companies don’t build planes just to build planes. They build them so they can sell them.
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Is this deliberate?
Why was a link to totally different thread posted?
This thread had a huge amount of archival data in a chain of threads that started years ago by me and other Chinese posters. This “new” thread deliberate or not broke that chain.
China buys more planes every year than any country outside the US. Like in cars, aviation firms have no choice but to put offsets in China.
There is no way a company can forgo the second largest, fasting growing market and remain competitive.
Embraer is leaving China because it is not competitive in the Chinese market. It has nothing to do with licenses.
Time to move the Chinese aircraft and speculation thread off this forum.
Yawn
Yes China has made significant accomplishments in it’s own right in this field and they should be congratulated for that.
They should however NOT be congratulated for espionage, theft and outright illegal use of intellectual property in this field (J-11, PL-12, WS-10, etc. etc.).
Be proud China of your accomplishments, but be a little more humble about how you got there.
Yawn.
Sour grapes.
If SL don’t play its cards right and as long as there is a Tamil population there, then India can always find an excuse to intervene and despite having a good military it stands little chance standing up to an Indian intervention.
The fact that the Tigers were annihilated as a fighting force in the past year pretty much attests to the fact that the current SL government doesn’t consult with India for its own security — unlike the governments in the first two decades of the war.
All big countries have their buffer zones and spheres of influence and would not like others to violate them. How would China like a Pro West Myanmar or North korea ? Same with Georgia and Russia. I am sorry may not be fair but that is how it is.
Sri Lanka is a buffer zone between India and whom? Who is on the other side of Sri Lanka?
Every nation around India except Bhutan has a patron elsewhere outside the subcontinent. We see it in their armed forces.
It makes little or no sense for Sri Lanka to worry about being someone’s little brother. It’s a sovereign nation. And from what we saw, one with a pretty competent military that should have every item its needs to defend the integrity of the country.
China is opaque as and when it suits her interests..
How is asking the US Navy a non-starter to give it the Indian Ocean (an lake dominated by the US Navy even more so than the Atlantic and Pacific) suit China’s interest?
The newstory is actually American & now reiterated by an Indian paper on account of Keating. And I think the rest of the world is least bothered as they know the likelihood of this happening …LOL.
And only India would think to be bothered? Only nations with little or no geo-political impact and is trying desperately to find some “rival” would be bothered by this, I guess.
This “news” wasn’t reported in China or much in the US.


This is not the first time this has been reported.
Read YourFathers post/s above.
Your Pentagon report allusion is, irrelevant.
The Pentagon report says China is opaque. Why would it go and be so totally open to the Pentagon on “dividing” the Pacific and Indian Ocean?
What’s irrelevant is this Indian news story. For something as major as dividing the oceans between China and the US, it should be on page one of every newspaper in the world.
Chinese types in the Sri Lankan military.
Army
Assault rifle:
Type 81
Type 56
Machine Gun:
Type 69
Type 80
Anti tank:
HJ-8/Baktar-Shikan
Type 69 RPG
Tanks:
Type 69
Type 59
Type 63 amphibious tank
APC:
Type 89
Type 85
Type 63
Artillery:
152 mm Type 66 gun-howitzers
130 mm Type 59 field guns
122 mm Type 60 howitzers
Type 86 (W86) 120 mm mortars
Type 84 (W84) 82 mm mortars
Type 89 60 mm mortars
Air Force
J-7
K-8
Y-12
Y-8
Jonesy, severely doubt it was a joke.
Why? Logic dictates that this is either a joke or an outright fabrication.
Why would China “asks” the US about dividing the Pacific when the annual Pentagon report (and every other report out there) says China is “opaque” and “secretive” about its intentions?
You can’t be more open when you asks to “divide” the Pacific.
You can either believe the annual Pentagon report or this.
With all do respect to my Chinese Friends………
Scooter, you’re the one who posted an unsubstantiated Asahi Shimbun article saying that China will build two 50,000-60,000 carriers and turning the Varyag into something other than a casino.
It’s pretty silly to put a non-Chinese source up and then address the Chinese about it.
Why not wait till the official Chinese announcement?
As far as we know from the Chinese, they are entertaining the thoughts of building carriers and that’s it. The tonnage and the date and the Varyag is nothing but speculation from a non-Chinese source.
Building a straw man so you could knock it down does not a discussion make.