Hard to say. It could be anywhere from 10 to 25 per line (very hard to imagine a modern aircraft coming off a line at much more than two per month.)
Well, since Brazil had denied it, it’s probably just academic.
From a strictly commercial-strategic standpoint, though, the supposed swap is more about the Embraers than the 12 Sukhois. Brazil doesn’t necessarily need the Sukhois as it faces little threat being as it is the dominant economy and political entity in South America.
But it would benefit Embraer to enter the Russian market. And not only enter a new market but to possibly short-circuit a potential competitor in the RRJ.
The Embraers are world-class commercial jets beyond anything Russia currently has to offer in the same categories. The ERJ145 alone has sold over 800 planes – to airlines operating on Western standards. If Aeroflot and Sibir and other are able to get ahold of them, this would open a floodgate for a best-selling product that is already on the market. The RRJ still has a way to go and if Russian airlines are given Embraers, the project could become a stillborn.
But all this is just academic analysis since Brazil has denied the swap.
Here’s speculation for you π
Posts in the Chinese-language forums are claiming there are currently three production lines making J-10s at Chengdu.
“BRASILIA, Brazil, Oct 18 (Reuters) – The Brazilian government on Monday denied it was planning to buy 12 Russian Sukhoi fighter jets in exchange for 50 passenger aircraft built by Brazil’s Embraer (EMBR4.SA: Quote, Profile, Research) (ERJ.N: Quote, Profile, Research) .
It’s amazing how often this happens, even news coming from quasi-official sources like the Moscow Times.
BTW, Aeroflot have been operating B777 & Airbus A320’s for a number of years now – so the ‘buy Russian first’ policy has been relaxed for some time.
Ah, Flanker_man, there is a difference between “buy Russia first” and “buy Russia only.”
Aeroflot had used Airbus and Boeing on international routes since the early 1990s. The reason is that those are geared towards inbound travelers from the West that would be more comforatble on Western liners. For example, even Aeroflot’s routes to Finland (a short regional flight from St. Petersburg) use Airbus because the Finnish officials has gently suggested that Aeroflot would do better using western aircraft.
Aeroflot and other Russian airlines are asked to buy Russian first if there were no outside pressure, especially in the feeder lines and internal routes. The Embraers, though, would cut into exactly those internal routes which are to be the sole province of the RRJ project.
From the Moscow Times on the Su-35/Embraer “swap”:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/10/19/041.html
Tuesday, October 19, 2004. Page 5.
Report: Russia, Brazil Plan to Swap Fighters, Airliners
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But a senior aviation industry official said the move would contradict state efforts to make domestic airlines buy more Russian-made passenger jets — such as Sukhoi’s Russian Regional Jet, or RRJ, which is expected to sell by the hundreds after it goes into mass production in 2007.
“Swapping Sukhoi jets for Brazilian aircraft would further increase our companies’ dependence on Western plane makers. … That’s not what the government essentially wants to do,” a source in a large Russian aerospace company said
Thanks for checking, Google! WAR-1 is filed under speculation for now π
According to a Chinese post concerning a Jane’s Defense Weekly Oct. 15, 2004 report, China is testfiring an ALARM/HARM-type anti-radiation weapon called WAR-1. This missile is to arm the JH-7 “Flying Leopard,” the J-10 and the J-11.
Maybe Google could help here π
China is dropping plans to buy IL-76. This might go hand in hand with the recent interest with Antonov and the heavy lifters from Ukraine.
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2004/05/25/chinaplanes.shtml
China Wonβt Buy Russian Planes β Newspaper
Created: 25.05.2004 11:38 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 13:20 MSK
MosNews
China is to drop plans to buy ten military IL-76 airplanes from Russia, the Izvestia daily reports. The total cost of the failed deal is several hundred million U.S. dollars. Another deal for the delivery of 25 TU 204-120 planes to China, worth $750 million, is also in danger of being called off.
The contract for the delivery of IL-76 planes has been in the preparation stage for the last year and it was supposed to be signed in June 2004. However, the newspaper says it has found out that the Chinese officials have changed their intentions. The reason for the refusal to sign the contract is the failure of the Russian side to fulfill its obligations under another contract which stipulated delivery of five TU 204-120 planes to China.
Could be … but regarding the straighter wing it seems for my opinion more related to another project …. more useful for to Air-to-Ground / attack … maybe another Q-x program ! π
Do You think this is the same project ???
Deino
Interesting! The delta canard in the black & white picture looks quite different though, especially having the sawtooth in the wing. Far less has been released of the attacker (Q-) projects than the fighters. The only cancelled one that I could think of seeing is the Q-6 swingwing.
The plane in the B&W looks too light and is probably experimental. The black one actually has a similar layout to the Swedish Viggen. If it is anything like the J-37, it could be for either interceptor or attack roles.

An immensely important development if it comes to pass. Russian airlines, along with Sukhoi exports, are what keeps Russian aircraft manufacturers alive.
The Embraers could break a long-standing mandate that Russian carriers like Aeroflot and Sibir buy Russian first. The RRJ could be in jeopardy.
In fact, here is a recent news on the MiG-29 upgrade. It seems it had turned into a bit of a disaster.
http://www.eic.rousse.bg/en/news.htm
10.02.2004 – BULGARIA BREAKS UP WITH RUSSIA’S RSK OVER MIG-29 UPGRADE
“BULGARIA BREAKS UP WITH RUSSIA’S RSK OVER MIG-29 UPGRADE
The contract with Russia’s RSK MiG for the upgrade of Bulgaria’s MiG-29 fighter aircraft might be terminated by the end of the week, Bulgaria’s Defence Minister Nikolay Svinarov announced on February 9.
Bulgaria contracted RSK MiG in March 2002 to repair the MiG-29 fighter aircraft. Under the deal, RSK was to subcontract 45 percent of the upgrade works to the Plovdiv-based plant of Terem.
Russia’s RSK MiG agreed to grant all licenses to the joint venture based in Plovdiv for the upgrade of Bulgaria’s MiG-29 fighter jets, which was one of the reasons why Sofia preferred the Russian company to Germany’s EADS.
Bulgarian officials have repeatedly complained that the Russians are months behind schedule and have moved most of the works to Russia.”
I don’t think it’s too new. Gripens were the lead choice for some time according to what I read in AFM.
There was also a overview of European Air Forces about four or five issues ago. It mentioned Bulgarian interest in the Gripen. As for the Fulcrums, Bulgaria’s MiG-29s were mentioned in that particular issue (along with Romania’s) as being troublesome and that the air force is looking at it as drain on its resources.
“Deputy Minister of Defense Ilko Dimitrov signed today, September 23, a Memorandum of understanding with Gripen International and with BAE Systems Information and Electronic Systems International Inc.
The documents define the opportunities for cooperation between the Ministry of Defense and the two companies in the area of the modernization of the Bulgarian Armed Forces.
Partnership with Gripen International covers the modernization of the Air Forces, while the cooperation with BAE Systems β modernization of the information and communication systems, the command and control systems, as well as the IFF system, identification friend or foe.
Signed papers envisage the creation of working groups with representatives of the Ministry and the two companies, who will develop programs for joint activities. “
According articles in AFM and Air International, Bulgaria is looking into acquiring a small compact force of Gripens to meet NATO standard. I think there is a concerted effort to move at least the Air Force towards Western equipment.
Thanks for the picture! I haven’t seen that one before. It looks to be the same model.
You’re as well informed as anyone on these projects, Deino. Do you think it might be a version of the J-9, they were testimg out?
Too fuzzy to tell for certain but I see Mirage III and a Harrier right above the tail. An A-4 Skyhawk on the panel on the right. An A-3 Whale and maybe the C-5 (it’s some sort of transport with the high tail planes) in the middle panel.
It seems those pictures of western aircraft not Chinese.