Sorry, Vortex. You even lost me this time. Even I can’t translate that nerdy mumble-jumble 😀
Originally posted by pluto77189
Maybe some of you just hate America, and want it to fail–hey, there ARE people like that.
No the problem is that many Americans just hate another nation for no reason other than needing a new enemy.
Whether it is Air Force Secretary James Roche singling out China as a threat, as a reason for the Raptor or Bush attempting to link Iraq with Al Qaida, it is an attempt to incite hate and to prepare the American public for conflict by demonizing another country.
Originally posted by pluto77189
Maybe some of you just hate America, and want it to fail–hey, there ARE people like that.
No the problem is that many Americans just hate another nation for no reason other than needing a new enemy.
Whether it is Air Force Secretary James Roche singling out China as a threat, as a reason for the Raptor or Bush attempting to link Iraq with Al Qaida, it is an attempt to incite hate and to prepare the American public for conflict by demonizing another country.
Great picture!
Those droptanks must be be empty of fuel. Otherwise they would have ignited from friction.
Seems like the gears were never lowered. I don’t see a squished wheel anywhere. Probably a malfunction. (If the pilot forgot, the damage would be much worse.)
A nice job at landing the thing without the gear, I’d say. Definitely salvagable.
Originally posted by MarocMirage
Chinese officials have been in Morocco for quite a while now, negotiating about arms deliveries. Is there a chance that Morocco orders the FC-1?
There is a very interesting story concerning Morocco and the K-8 and could be related in a way to the FC-1.
The K-8E is assembled by the Egypt’s Arab Manufacturing Authority. It is a pretty large order of 80.
But the more interesting piece is that the Arab Manufacturing Authority was first developed and funded by nations across the Arab world. Although today, it is run by the Egyptian state .
Morocco is often mentioned in publications as a customer of the K-8 although there has not been a Chinese-made K-8 delivered to Morocco. It is was reported at other times that the K-8s that Morocco will receive will come from the Egyptian assembly line not from China or Pakistan.
The same might happen with the FC-1 if and when Egypt gets the assembly line (which would probably be the only reason Egypt would get the FC-1.)
Egypt’s Arab Manufacturing Authority might end up as a pan-Arab aircraft manufacturer of K-8s and FC-1s and other aircraft in the future for Arab nations like Morocco that prefer not spend on US weapons because of money or politics.
As noted above, Egypt has a very long history of pursuing a homegrown aviation industry with the HA 300 40 years ago in 1960. That was also a pan-Arab project led by Egypt but with Syria, Yemen and other countries funding a piece too. That project fell apart after a flood of Russian aircraft and then US F-16s after the peace treaty with Israel.
This time, they have a production line in place with a modest trainer, the K-8, as a foundation. So the next step could be a FC-1 line since the Egyptians have experience with a Chengdu/PAC product already in the K-8.
Strictly preformance-wise, the FC-1 has no chance in beating out F-16s for the Egyptian market. But politics and the push for a homegrown industry could allow the FC-1 to win out.
Originally posted by m.ileduets
How convenient (but wrong) to always link Saddam with international terrorism. Did the intervention stop it? No- on the contrary: Al Quaeda didn’t have access to Iraq as long as Saddam was in power, since he didn’t tolerate any power beside himself. Now in liberated Iraq they find an ideal breeding ground.
That, m.ileduets, is a great point.
Unfortunately, many Americans refuse to see this. Saddam was a dictator but he was not a fundamentalist like the Saudis and others who did the WTC.
The Baath Party were secular socialist, not religious. Now with Saddam gone, it has become the breeding ground you suggested.
Great, great points.
In the China scenario, there are the same kind misunderstanding (or deliberate skewing of the facts) that the PRC is a military threat while people in the rest of the world could see that China completely outmatched by the US militarily and its only recourse against the “ring of steel” is trade relations.
Originally posted by m.ileduets
How convenient (but wrong) to always link Saddam with international terrorism. Did the intervention stop it? No- on the contrary: Al Quaeda didn’t have access to Iraq as long as Saddam was in power, since he didn’t tolerate any power beside himself. Now in liberated Iraq they find an ideal breeding ground.
That, m.ileduets, is a great point.
Unfortunately, many Americans refuse to see this. Saddam was a dictator but he was not a fundamentalist like the Saudis and others who did the WTC.
The Baath Party were secular socialist, not religious. Now with Saddam gone, it has become the breeding ground you suggested.
Great, great points.
In the China scenario, there are the same kind misunderstanding (or deliberate skewing of the facts) that the PRC is a military threat while people in the rest of the world could see that China completely outmatched by the US militarily and its only recourse against the “ring of steel” is trade relations.
Nice pictures, Equatorian. The Kfir CE is a nice lethal looking plane.
The last 8 Jaguar were grounded and stored since 2002 because butget cuts for the ecuadorian armed forces .
The casualties of peace 🙂
Unless there is war, strike aircraft like Jaguars don’t serve much of a purpose.
Fighters/interceptors have a peacetime role of preserving air space sovereignty.
Originally posted by plawolf
as far as the ‘joke’ bit is concerned, well i guess some ppl must be getting pretty desperate for jokes to considered china putting some long overdue investment into its military as funny.:rolleyes:
No, no! You misunderstood Vortex, PLAWolf. He is saying that fingerpointing a country that doesn’t even put that much of a budget into the military like China is a joke.
He is laughing at the USA.
This is the second time you did this, Wolfie! 😀
Vortex simply has a hard time expressing his thoughts carely.
Originally posted by plawolf
as far as the ‘joke’ bit is concerned, well i guess some ppl must be getting pretty desperate for jokes to considered china putting some long overdue investment into its military as funny.:rolleyes:
No, no! You misunderstood Vortex, PLAWolf. He is saying that fingerpointing a country that doesn’t even put that much of a budget into the military like China is a joke.
He is laughing at the USA.
This is the second time you did this, Wolfie! 😀
Vortex simply has a hard time expressing his thoughts carely.
If the Egyptians buy the FC-1, it would be for the same reasons they bought the K-8, something cheap but more importantly something that they could build.
They could have gone for the Hawk for a trainer if they had wanted to. There were no political or even financial problems if they wanted them. On top of American aid, Egypt isn’t exactly a financially straitjacketed country.
For those interested in aviation history, Egypt had attempted a jet project very early with the HA 300 from Willy Messerschmitt.
The FC-1 could replace the several hundred Migs/J-7s and operate alongside the F-16 in a hi-lo mix. The F-16 is “low” only in the US.
Haggis is Scottish. Ever see a leprechaun in a plaid skirt?
American fingerpointing actually has become a joke because it’s hypocritical and totally out of touch with reality.
When pre-invasion Gallup polls had the US being considered by Europeans as one of the most dangerous countries in the world at the same time that the US was claiming Iraq and North Korea as threats, it is pretty funny 😀
American fingerpointing actually has become a joke because it’s hypocritical and totally out of touch with reality.
When pre-invasion Gallup polls had the US being considered by Europeans as one of the most dangerous countries in the world at the same time that the US was claiming Iraq and North Korea as threats, it is pretty funny 😀
Originally posted by google
My secret friend, an imaginary leprechaun, told me that there’s going to be a joint production of this newfangled thing soon.
Ireland doesn’t build offensive weaponry, that leprechaun must have been a gnome imposter.