You are crouton! Only a crouton would think that cretin means moron.

I should think I would know French more than you.

Crouton.

Cretins: French word meaning dried out bread crumbs; used for salads, soups and flakes.

Stainless steel arma-*****?

Originally posted by PhantomII

So why doesn’t anyone seem to appreciate the JH-7?

That’s impression arises because you weren’t around in the early 1990s 😀

The JH-7 caused immense interest back then. Look up the Jane’s Defense Weeklies and the Annual All the World’s Aircraft from 1990-1995 at your local library (I have).

Because China didn’t officially acknowledge its existence until the Zhuhai show of 1996, there was the same kind of speculation in the JH-7 in defense publications as you do today in the J-10.

The difference was there wasn’t an internet then.

By the time the internet came along, we have the J-10, FC-1 and FTC-2000 that we saw development in front of our eyes.

Look, we SAW the FIRST pictures of these planes on the internet. So of course, they’ll be more interesting than the older JH-7.

But wait till we get the first high quality pictures of the JH-7A (and we will). The Chinese boards will go nuts.

Nuts until we get good picts of the J-10B two seater 😀

Then you have the horrible FTC-2000 which is nothing but a MiG-21/J-7 with an FC-1 (JF-17) front put on it.

Horrible in looks? Or performance and ability to carry out its job? It’s an evolvement of a time-tested system (JJ-7) with a difference.

The avionics and cockpit layout are beyond any Chinese trainer that came before it. It is able accomodate a large radar and possibly BVR.

It also has the J-7E’s double delta wing for high maneuvrability.

And it tops out at Mach 1.8. It’s just a trainer.

Of course, most of us want the L-15 but that’s years down the road.

I’d settle for more pictures of the K-8E in Egyptian colors.

Originally posted by crobato

Better yet, something like the F-7MF or J-7FS project. The point of the F-7MF is to tack a radar as big as the J-10’s into a modified J-7 double delta airframe. That could potentially house a radar with an antenna size whose theoritical range could be greater than something fitted on the nose of a MiG-21bis or the FC-1. The F-7MF is an interesting counter alternative to the FC-1 and J-10 dilemna.

The F-7MF would be the ultimate development along the line of high maneuverability as developed under the F-7MG project.

Extreme maneuverability along with BVR and a large radar. But range will still be a problem and so it’ll remain a point defense fighter.

Since the FC-1 flew first, the chance of the MF ever being made is pretty small now. Unless the fact that it’s cheap could get it orders from the PLAAF.

When the Kopyo was marketed for the FC-1, this clearly suggests that the size of the FC-1 antenna should be about the same as the MiG-21bis, which is upgraded by the Kopyo to the now UPG standard.

It tells us that the FC-1 has the capacity for at least the Kopyo. It might or might not be able to accomodate something bigger.

It actually has a good size nose

Originally posted by saf2000

The sight of the auto-manoeuvring flaps at work reminded the pilots of the F-16’s computer-controlled leading edge devices. Packaging the servo motors and actuators within the thin leading edge without the tell-tale bulges has certainly been a marvel of engineering at Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC).

Now I recall where this writeup comes from. It’s from the F-7PG centerpiece issue of AFM.

I remember because I used the above portion in a certain little argument I had about actuator bulges 😀

The Mig-21F and its derivatives are much more maneuverable than the Mig-21MF/Bis line. Chinese pilots complained about the J-7C/D’s maneuverability compared to the basic J-7IIs even though the J-7C has a more powerful engine and better TWR.

The PG goes much further and is a far more maneuverable development of the J-7II with a new wing and a whole battery of combat flaps and lift devices.

The PG should outclass any Mig-21 variant in WVR combat. Its weakness is the lack of BVR and smaller radar capacity.

Okay, I made a comparision but it’s too hard to tell. What do you think?

The top left picture (magnified) was of the helo going down. The lower right is of the one above the mountain line.

Originally posted by the_baphomet_00
Hi to all..!!!
this is my first post here:p

Well, I guess you don´t mind if I add a little correction:

this sequence is part of a video refered to the MI-25 shot down, happened in feb´07 1995 when this machine (FAP-695) tripulated by Colonel Marco Antonio Schenone Oliva, Captain Raúl Vera Collahuazo and SOTco.3 Erick Gilberto Diaz Cabrel was hitted by ecuadorian AA fire: a mix of 37 or 23 mm and the fatal missile (may be an IGLA or a HN-5).. in some sites, is stated that this images refer to the shot down of a MI-8 helo, but in july 1996 in the independence parade in Lima. this video was transmited and was officially stated that belongs to the shot down of the MI-25…

Regards from Caracas

Alberto.-

Good first post 😀

On closer look, the target helo does have more of the slimmer shape of the Hind than the Mi-8.

Equador has HN-5s? I doubt that China can export military equipment to South America without getting a lot of attention from the US (especially things like MANPADs).