GoldenDragonPlawolf, it’s a waste of time arguing with an Indian over Taiwan.
He simply can’t contribute anything to the discussion except his prejudice.
The Taiwan issue is between the Chinese and Taiwanese alone. Though we have to acknowledge the Americans who’ve created the mess by inserting themselves into a civil war five decades ago.
And the Taiwan question probably won’t come to war. There are 1 million Taiwanese living in China. Taiwan’s growth over the last three years depended entirely on exports to China. The Taiwanese economy would have tilted into recession without exports to the Chinese market. If the Taiwanese themselves believed that war was imminent they would never leave themselves in such a position.
But if there is a declaration of indepedence, the Taiwanese economy will crumble even before the first shot is fired by the PLAN. Taiwan simply has no future if China embargoes any company that operates in Taiwan.
An exodus of wealth would flow out of the Taipei market if there is any chance of a status quo being broken.
GoldenDragonFaye Wong is hot. But she is getting up there in age.
Still the best voice in Asia though.
One of the few HK-Taiwan-PRC pop singers with originality and a good rock beat.
The stuff about Vietnam being a Chinese province again is just idiocy. No Chinese really believes or ask for that.
But culturally and economically the Far East is fast being integrating regardless of borders. Korean pop is all over China and Chinese flicks like Zhang Yimou’s Hero was a huge hit in Japan and Korea. HK movies had always been popular across SE Asia.
I don’t see Vietnam being any different since the same dynamics are moving into its economy and society.
I know. Relations are very good now. Hopefully we will all grow rich and fat together.
That’s the way things are looking. In fact, the entire SE Asia area is growing fat even with serious economic troubles in Japan and the West.
The surprising thing about Vietnam is a 80 million people economy (much larger than France or the UK) that is growing at a stunning clip but is entirely forgotten because everyone in the PacRim is doing better.
The reason is inter-regional trade.
GoldenDragonOriginally posted by troung
True but the FC-1 happens to have the range only to take on Cambodia, Laos and China. I doubt China would supply us with spares if we happened to have a major border “dispute”. Then again with a Russian radar, engine and weapons the plane would fit right in, but I doubt relations have gotten that good for us to buy a Chinese fighter.
Vietnam has quietly become the second fastest growing economy in Asia. Nearly all of the growth because of open trade with China. Also, the Vietnamese commies have studied and are implementing the same reforms that the Chinese commies are doing.
Compared to the nutty N Koreans, Vietnam is much closer philosophically to the PRC.
The entire border area has been demined since 2000. (There were stories of several engineers of the PLA killed in a massive demining process.)
Relations are pretty good right now.
That it, I don’t think we have the money to spend on the Mirage 2000-5 or something like that.
Well, Vietnam does have a huge stash of foreign currency among its local population. Unfortunately, the Chinese Yuan is not convertible in Europe for M2ks 😀
It is highly doubtful that there would be war between China and Vietnam for forseeable future. First of all, as part ASEAN, Vietnam is protected unless China wants to endangers its relationships with Thailand and Singapore which have been traditionally very important to China.
Secondly, Vietnam’s current growth is also tightly tied into the Greater China economic area, not only is China Vietnam’s fastest growing and most profitable export market, nearly all of Vietnam FDI is from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Overseas Chinese from ASEAN as well as Viet Hoa (Chinese Vietnamese) from the US and Europe.
So you really would want to use something like a FC-1 on Laos and Cambodia anyways 😀
GoldenDragonOriginally posted by troung
The FC-1 happens to be made in China.
Yeah, but you could probably barter for the FC-1 with kumquats and durian fruits that China wants. It’s precious hard currency for planes from France or other countries.
GoldenDragonIt tastes and smells like gasoline.
GoldenDragonThe F-15 is proven. And it will be coupled with AAMs that people know will work.
The vast majority of all recorded BVR kills in history were recorded by American made planes using American ordnance. In fact, non-American BVR kills that could be proven are close to non-existent with maybe several “possible” but no proven. What is proven is that the R-27 is horrendous in the Ethiopian-Eritrean War.
There is no guarantee that a squadron of $45-million Sukhois with its suspect weapons can knock anyone down (except for Mig-29s). We know for a certainty that a $70m F-15/AMRAAM combination can.
The same goes for the French Rafale/MICA though I, personally, would put far more faith in that than the Su-30/R-77.
GoldenDragonActually, Guizhou reports the JL-9 top speed as Mach 2 not M1.6 that I’ve listed above
According to an Air International story (“Guizhou set to begin FTC-2000 flight tests”)
The FTC-2000’s wing span is 8.32m (27.3ft), compared with the FT-7’s 7.16m. The aircraft’s top speed is Mach 2 compared with the FT-7’s M1.6. Maximum design altitude is 52,500ft (16,000m) and it has a 2,500km (1,350nm)range. Take-off run at 9,800kg (21,600lb)will be 400-500m. The aircraft has five hardpoints.
GoldenDragon
4. Is the FTC-2000 (the little MiG-21 lookalike trainer) a LIFT aircraft like the Korean T-50, or is it more a basic trainer in the vein of early MB-339A’s? (I haven’t seen any stats on this bird and info is hard to come by).
The FTC-2000/JL-9 is a high performance trainer at Mach 1.6. It has a large nose compable of a far more powerful radar than any previous Chinese trainer and the avionics layout even on the prototype is far in advance of any Chinese trainer currently flying.
The top left picture shows the front cockpit with a HUD and two MFCs. The rear shows three multifunctional displays.
The major drawbacks are a lack of FBW (therefore the inability to program in different flight characteristics) and an version of the old JJ-7/J-7/J-8 turbojet engine.
GoldenDragonRe: Questions about Chinese aircraft
Originally posted by Dubya
1. Will the Chinese offer the J-10 for export, or is it a PLAAF bird only?2. Will the PLAAF adopt the JF-17 or is it for export only?
3. Is the PLAAF adopting the K-8?
4. Is the FTC-2000 (the little MiG-21 lookalike trainer) a LIFT aircraft like the Korean T-50, or is it more a basic trainer in the vein of early MB-339A’s? (I haven’t seen any stats on this bird and info is hard to come by).
Most of those were answered. Just to add a few things. The J-10 is currently unofficial so it seems to be following the same route as the JH-7 was when it flew in 1988 and entered service in the 1990s. The JH-7 was shown as the FBC-1 for export at the Zuhai airshow in 1998.
If and when the J-10 is shown, it would be to attract export.
The stories that the PLAAF “don’t want” the FC-1 is pure conjecture. There is no Chinese report stating that the air force “doesn’t want” it.
The air force needs a cheaper fighter for the bulk of its air force, if it wants to maintain anywhere near the numbers it has today. They are assumed to be looking for a multi-role craft to replace the Q-5s, the J-6s and J-7s.
Because Chengdu, the same firm building the FC-1, has also been pushing the F-7MF, which seems to occupy the same role as the FC-1 but much cheaper, some people are leaping to the conclusion that the FC-1 is unwanted.
The FC-1 has already flown and the F-7MF has not. The FC-1 is basically in the driver’s seat right now.
Like the K-8, the Chinese FC-1 would most likely have different avionics.
On the K-8, this is perhaps the most successful venture by a Chinese firm in the 1990s. It had sold more than Chengdu’s J-7 with about 150 overseas and 100 at home. It follows a Western design and originally had a western engine before the embargo. It established Hongdu’s reputation as a design house more suited to the modern market.
The FTC-2000 builder, Guizhou, does have more clout with the military as they are currently the premiere advanced trainer supplier to the PLAAF with the JJ-7s.
The FTC-2000 (JL-9) is a LIFT or advance trainer for J-7s and FC-1s considering that its performance and capabilities closely approximate theirs.
It probably can’t serve as one to J-10s or J-11s. But it is doubtful that it will serve as an intermediate trainer for the latter two either. Pilots would probably go from JL-8 (K-8) to JL-9 for FC-1s and J-7Gs and from JL-8 to the J-10 two-seater that flew in December for the J-10s or to Su-27UBK for the Flankers.
GoldenDragonPosted on the CHinese boards, this looks like the original of a previous picture posted here. There isn’t a magazine fold in the middle of the picture.
Wonderful color scheme.
GoldenDragon.
GoldenDragonThe service dates for both the R-33 and R-37 were around 1985. Plenty of time for AIM-54 tech to be included if it did happened.
I’ve don’t have bias either way except to say that it has been more than once that I’ve heard connection between the Amos, Alamo and Phoenix.
The R-33 and AIM-54 are pretty similar in look.
The loadout config of the F-14 and Mig-31 is too.
GoldenDragonNice picts, Sean!
GoldenDragonWell, out of several thousand Genies, there must have been a few duds…
GoldenDragonThe windtunnel complex at Chengdu includes supersonic and hypersonic (Mach 5 and up) environments.
It was used to test equipment for the manned space program as well as projects of the neighboring Chengdu Aircraft Corp.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-99w.html
Wind Tunnel Tests Point To Capsule Made in China
Hong Kong – December 2, 1999 – Ta Kung Pao, a pro-Beijing newspaper in Hong Kong reported yesterday that the Shenzhou capsule was the product of testing in the wind tunnel facility in Chengdu, the provincial capital of Sichuan.The eight wind tunnels in the facility, the largest cluster of such in Asia, can test aerodynamic, thermal and reentry dynamic properties of missiles, satellites, and space capsules.
When the government decided to establish a manned space program in 1992, the facility was assigned the task to model Shenzhou, test the thermal and structural dynamics of it, and finalize its design.
The model had undergone testing in supersonic and hypersonic conditions. Also tested were low density ablative materials, and their thermal conductivity, for the reentry module.
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