Originally posted by PhantomII
WOW!A Phantom with Genie’s.
I’ve never heard that mentioned before much less seen a picture of it.
GD you’re awesome for that one.
Why thank you, my good man 😀
Here’s another rare one.
This is perhaps the first picture of an AAM in action. According to my 1979 version of Bill Gunston’s Illustrated Encyclopedia of the World’s Rockets and Missiles (illustrated because I like pictures :D) , it was a successful test firing of an AIM-4 Falcon on a converted B-17 target drone. Weird strike angle, right up the belly.
Ah, a nuke was considered for the Gar-9/AIM-47 but it ended up with a conventional warhead (though not a conventional AAM warhead – it was high explosive, not proximity fuse/fragmentation).
It was the daddy of the AIM-54, it looked like the Phoenix.
Here is F-4 with TWO Genies (inboard of droptanks).
And four recessed Sparrows (white cones, blue bodies) – just it case.
Yeah it didn’t have the grainy, scanned look of most photos from China.
Most of them WERE scanned in from magazines and periodicals in China before we picked them off the Chinese forums, Vympie.
As for how many, there are at the most several dozens.
Huitong could tell you better.
His site has a good description of the project with the pitfalls of the original production in China, the fleet’s move towards other copters, including Kamovs, and the new Z-8A initiative with the Army.
Originally posted by huitong
The one on the top is a French Super Frelon, not belong to China.
Ooops, should have made it clearer. You are right that is a French Super Frelon which was why I left off the service it belonged to.
I wondered about the J-11As. I didn’t mention the second lists because of the “J-11A” which seems a little too speculatory.
I was sure if the author meant the “indigenous” J-11 project (there is definitely no 20 of those.)
Off hand, it seems to me that evidence is mounting that the J-11 production rate is more than 15 though probably not as much as 50.
Pulling a number out of my arse, I’d say about 24 a year which was originally the more common number bandied about (2 Flankers a month).
Originally posted by Distiller
It’s about a small country being dominated by a Chinese leading class complying with Chinese interests.
Singapore is Chinese ethnic majority. Not a leading “Chinese” class. What’s “Chinese interests”? Chinese Singaporean as opposed to the other ethnics in Singapore?
That contest itself is an admonishment directed towards the U.S. – it says “if you do not continue to cooperate with us (= China, of course), we will look somewhere else!”.
Well, that answered my question.
Nuts.
You’re equating ethicity with nationality. The Singaporeans might be Chinese ethnically but they’re the majority group in the Singapore and if they were loyal to China, the US wouldn’t be selling them F-16s much less F-15s.
Heck, they would buy a F-15 and then transfer it to China which would love to have the Eagle if they were controlled by “Chinese interests.”
Say is Wolfowitz working for Israel because he is a Jew? How about Bush, is he working for Europe because he is white?
The AWG-9. The initial version of this thing came out in the late 1960s, amazing how they did it back then.
There were stories of the R-33 being a ripoff of the AIM-54 with the Phoenix to Russia coming by the way of Iran.
Who knows.
I doubt the Amos ever actually worked unlike the Phoenix 😀
Oh the Phoenix missile is an expensive missile alright. They were a million dollars a piece in 1990 dollars.
I’ve no idea how much they would cost to make today.
The problem with very long range missiles is that it is almost impossible to know you actually hit something. So you approach the target anyways for confirmation.
USAF/USN doctrine during the Sparrow era called for “rippling” of missiles or multiple firing of weapons from a plane or a flight of planes to ensure kills.
The F-14’s radar was capable of handling all six AIM-54s in the air (assuming a full long-range loadout) but the load was so expensive that it because a white elephant. There was a Wings program where a pilot said the AIM-54 became so much “luggage” (and it was heavy!) that was lugged back and forth and which no one thought they would ever use unless WWIII started (needed clearance to launch) and with which they can’t even practice with because they were so incredibly expensive.
There were some mindblowing long ranged and multiple bogied tests carried off by the Phoenix, AWG-9 and F-14 combo, though. It had test kills over 100 miles away and 5 out of 6 kills from one F-14 with radar juggling 6 Aim-54s in the air on bogies going away, coming towards and going sideways relative to plane.
I hope you folks enjoyed the nice propaganda trip around the friendly commie armed services and their trusty fat transport copter.
Camo for the Army’s Z-8A prototype
Good old Navy blue.
Here is the Army running into a Z-8A
Look! Marines running out of a Z-8!
The nutty thing actually floats 😀