The old adage still holds true :” Success has many fathers, but failure is
a basta@d child” .
T’is very true. But in this case the child looked very different even when it was young. As Deino pointed out, the prototype 01 looks just like the serial production machines. There was no copying and revising of the failed Lavi project (which has all of its prototypes accounted in Israel.)
From the English language version of the official newspaper. The J-10 is a multi-role aircraft — “precision attacks while hedgehopping.” Hedgehopping is a term for what low-level bombers like the Tornado or JH-7 do.
http://english.people.com.cn/200612/29/eng20061229_336997.html
China’s Air Force equipped with domestic-made new-generation fighter
Sources with the Air Force of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) said Friday that it has been equipped with China-made new-generation fighter aircraft, the Jian-10, or Fighter-10.
An Air Force officer told Xinhua the force’s “overall battle effectiveness has been noticeably enhanced” after being equipped with the aircraft and through intensive drills and training.
He disclosed that Jian-10 was capable of launching “precision attacks while hedgehopping and making long-distance assaults at altitude above 10,000 meters”. Air fleet drills have also been successfully carried out, he said.
The Information Office of the State Council also said on Friday in a white paper on national defence: “The Air Force is working to build an ‘informationized’ air fighting force with both offensive and defensive capabilities.
“It is reducing the number of combat aircraft, giving priority to the development of new fighters as well as air and missile defense weapons,” it said.
The military sources have never revealed the specifications of Jian-10, but foreign observers have said it is comparable to mainstream fighter aircraft in the West.
Source: Xinhua

About time, alright. Like the JH-7 before it, eventually the thing will be official and it is ๐
The culmination of years of J-10 watching.
In the dawn of the Internet Age, fan boys think that “design” and the “abstract” is the end all, be all of a manufacturing infrastructure — aircraft, ships or automobile :rolleyes:
Manufacturing has ALWAYS been the organization and marshaling of resources along with the ability to leverage “design.” Design comes from the ability to leverage your infrastructure. Designing abstract that your infrastructure cannot support is nothing more than dreaming.
Whether it’s aircraft, ships or automobile, China is among the few that create those in huge variety and number. The whole idea that “copying” designs means a backward industry is ludicrous considering that in all three industries, but especially aircraft and ships, are set up in scale by only a select few nations.
And aside from the so-called copies (nearly all of which is built in China), the number of indigenous aviation projects in China are greater than any country outside the P5.
Off Topic Post:
Hey Goldie,
Actually its only a short breather. I have 1+ month(s) break. Well, sort of a break, since I am leaving my present company. By the rules and regulations I had to give them at least one months notice. So, they didnโt give me any real work, only some documentation and training of new employee kinda stuff. So bit of a breather. But, once I join the new place things should get pretty hectic like before. So, the fact is, Iโll never be able post like I used. All posting at CDF and AFM came to a grinding halt, when I got employed. Still, I at least visited CDF and AFM whenever I could, to check out whats new, but no posting. On the other hand, I havenโt been to ACIG and many other forums in ages. Its unlikely that my accounts are even working. But, thats life I guess!
Welcome to the global workforce! ๐
Yes, making a living will take away a lot of your time from your hobbies. But the cool thing with this one is you can always pick it up no matter after how long a delay.
Best of luck with your career, Hyperwarp!
Yeah that would be good.
I asked Jonesy what the PLAN needs to counter Seawolf and Virginia Class SSNs, along with those Ultra quiet SSKs about 2 years back. Here are some extracts of his post.
SURTASS and SOSUS network
Competent SSNs
ASW aircraft in numbers (high-endurance A/C and fitted with multi-channel sonobuoy processing capability, with a decent radar, competent ESM and a good EO/IR system)
ASW helicopters in numbers (With an advanced dipping sonar, as well as carriage capacity for a couple of decent LWTs)
DDH For Carrying helicopters (fitted with a active low-frequency towed array, armament sufficient for self-protection and CODLAG propulsion to minimise ownship accoustic signature)
C3I, SatComms (C3I backend and satcomms infrastructure that would be required to integrate it all into one coherent ASW plan)
Shhhheeeeeesh…………..That looks very expensive ๐ฎ .
Hey Hyperwarp. Glad to see you back posting again!
:rolleyes: This Admaril, formerly “Chicum”, is not Chinese. The more you read his supposed “pidgin” the more you can see it’s an act.
J-10 in AVIC colors during the Zhuhai airshow (plane was in Chengdu not Zhuhai) and FC-1 prototype 06 still in primer.

It takes a while … but it’s worth to take a look !!! :diablo:
http://www.sonicmodel.com/topicdisplay.asp?BoardID=23&Page=1&TopicID=1739889
… below is a short “pre-view”
Cheers, Deino ๐
Nice set!
The only one reporting this is the US military. It was the same with the Han class SSN that tailed another carrier a few years back. An indication that this happens on a regular basis.
So sounds more like a US Navy ploy to get more funding than anything else.
The Yuan SSK or Project 093. Submarines are tactical weapons with strategic impact. By nature they are stealthy.
Of course, this is discounting nuclear, chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction any of which, if used, would catch people off guard.
EdLaw, extremely good point you’ve made! I’d almost be 100% sure you’re correct on that. I was wondering why they’d be using M-16 lookalikes, and uniforms, etc. Pretty interesting, and disturbing at the same time. :O
I’d bet it all on the point that they might be training to infiltrate the new Iraqi army, somehow; and/or pose as them and kill civs to make the Iraqi army look bad. ๐
I hope they keep an eye on for these b*stards.
You can’t infiltrate the Iraqi army with a M-16. The Iraqi Army uses AK-47s from Eastern Europe and, mainly, China. Their body armor and other equipment are from China and former Soviet republics and client states too. Yes, those purchases are approved by the US.
The US is not arming the Iraqis with $1500 M-16s but $150 Chinese surplus and new Norinco Type 56s (which were banned from the US market in the 1990s.)
It’s communist not cummunist. The original Cold War slang is “chicom.” The fact that you are repeatedly using “chicum” inspite of us point that out probaby means you know more than you let on.
John, how do you know ChiCumRen is even Chinese?
Either he is and his English is too poor to realize the nature of his name or he does know English and is deliberately using Chi”cum” as a subtle insult by playing on the cold war slang “chicom.” “Come” or “to come” is an American slang for semen or the act of squirting seminal fluid, the “cum” spelling variation is used liberally (and sometimes comically) in pornographic literature.
Maybe a bit more than you need to know about the American language.
Well, the article said the final Beidou version will have “5 GEO and 30 non-GEO satellites.”
Just as the Beidou-1 configuration has just three satellites, the Beidou-2 configuration might very well have 12 before the final version of 35 satellites are put in place. Considering that the US uses a constellation of 24 (three are spares) for the full global coverage, by the time China reached 12 for Beidou-2, they would have coverage equal to GPS for China’s neighborhood. So 12 would seem a good milestone for a country focused regionally like China.