GoldenDragonlike most Russian program, already flying mean it will fly in 10 years, then on year 11 be stored at museum or become part of aerobatics team.
Are you trying to start a flamewar? Russia is still one of the two or three (some would put France in) leading majors in the world in military aviation. As for programs, every new fighter project today, even the Western ones — F-22, F-35, EF, Rafale — has been going or will go on for at least a decade.
I’ve said a lot before in this forum about the record of Russian aircraft vis-a-vis western ones. But there is no doubt that outside the West, no one else is all that close.
GoldenDragonNo one is saying the Beidou is a full fledged GLOBAL system. 3 satellites is the minimum you need to cover China and their side of the hemisphere, and that’s what they got. And it does appear to be usable within this coverage, and so it seems, they have satisfied their short term ambitions and goals and this is a signal they’re moving to the next stage.
The user can figure out whether he is on the right course with even two satellite. It gives you direction if you know the position of the satellite and a fixed location like a city. With three satellites you have the location of the user and that gives you something completely functional. Beidou is just the beginning and is centered on China. The US’ GPS system is 24 satellites but it is a constellation spread around the globe.
As stated in this and the article in the other thread, the Chinese Compass system will eventually have 35 satellites.
GoldenDragonBTW I dont think German is the hardest European language… Hungarian and Finnish I think are far harder.
Perhaps it’s because Finnish and Hungarian are not even European in origin?
GoldenDragonThe Russian industry cannot compete in lighter weight fighting aircraft market in near future, and later, heavy weight.
A pretty wild statement considering the lead that Russia has over China in the military arena. No other Chinese poster has made a such a statement because it is impossible to back up.
Saying that Russia has decided not to build single engine fighters is far different than saying Russia won’t be able to compete in light fighter aircraft.
GoldenDragoneven if FC-1 only is one engine, it still have more potential than any MiG-29.
A possibility, not a certainty. By default a larger plane always has a more potential than a smaller one because you have more space to allow for newer and heavier equipment.
If the FC-1 has more potential, it’s only because it was designed at a much later date by people using modern methods such as modularity to plug in different components without a redesign.
GoldenDragonBringing water when theres no fire :rolleyes:
You do realise that comments like this are inflamatory, can you show me the last time a chinese member started an trolling action like you have just done and accused us of doing since you came to this board
A pretty transparent tactic if you ask me :rolleyes:
He starts off by insulting a group of people so they would reply strongly and when they do reply, he claims “See? Flamewar.”
So you keeping away from SDF isen’t any suprise…many of those who cannot handle displine and reasonable discussion often do…so perhaps you should keep avoiding us, becouse frankly we haven’t lost that much…
The feeling’s mutual, Gollevainen. There are those who are very critical but whose opinion I respect such as Arthur and Rick. They’ve taken the time to learn and understand and then base their opinions on what they know. Then there are those like Strevitel and you who neither know or even attempt to learn about China (and its military, economy or culture) but like throwing terms around to troll for reactions.
BTW, the so-called “anti-nationalist” stance is idiocy in military forums. Armies, navies and air forces are created to protect nations and nationalities. It is pure stupidity to say you are against “nationalists” when the whole subject of militaries would simply not exist were it not for national differences.
Calling a Chinese person who responds to you in an opinion formed from his Chinese perspective a “nationalist” is just a veiled insult from a person who has no idea of the Chinese view of things. To you any answer where the Chinese person does not agree with you on your uneducated view of China is a “nationalist” :rolleyes:
In this thread, you’ve taken that idiotic and self-righteous stance even before a single Chinese person had answered. Actually probably less of a self-righteous stance than a deliberate attempt to troll for a response from the Chinese community at AFM.
GoldenDragonBut somehow I got the feeling that the chinese sector would turn this into meaningless penny detail comprasion thread that will lose it point in the someway middle of the next page… :rolleyes: :rolleyes: they always tends to do that 😎
If that is the way you think about the Chinese then why should any of us bother replying? :rolleyes:
Any Chinese reply and it will turn into a flame war since Gollevainen has already threatened to turn it into one with his first post :rolleyes:
But that is what you always do, Gollevainen.
Every post you contributed in a Chinese related thread at AFM is a flamebait. Very strange to have such an anti-Chinese person moderating a Chinese forum, the main reason I stay away from the Sino-Defense forum.
GoldenDragonThere was never really any doubt except by those into wishful thinking and hoping that negotiators and project managers in China and Pakistan would somehow miss this big gaping chasm in their plans.
It was never there. This was always an imaginary roadblock. I’ve always said so.
The possibility of the FC-1 being held up by Russian refusal to re-export the engine was never mentioned by China. It was only mentioned by people extrapolating on India’s “relationship” with Russia.
India’s political and economic impact on Russia is extremely limited. But even that is beside the point. Governments and firms like CAC are not in the business of building infrastructure for a project that could be toppled by a contractual fine print. The contract for the RD-93 would never have been signed if it were.
It’s simple logic, if there were a problem with re-exporting the RD-93, the PAF would be working on another project incorporating another engine with Chengdu now instead of the RD-93/FC-1.
GoldenDragonNice post, Pinko! The test J-11B is in primer (maybe the same one that we saw in the picture with the Z-10.)
A J-11 built from scratch to incorporate the WS-10A — a J-11B.
GoldenDragonThe L-15 with accessories.
GoldenDragonJ11B in PLAAF camouflage taking off, powered by twin WS-10A turbofan engines
Are you sure about that picture? That’s a two-seat UBK. I thought they were testing the WS-10A on J-11 which are all single seaters.
GoldenDragonI believe the solution will be China bought RD-33 production line right and pay them huge amount of money. Since the engines is being produced in China,what can India say abt Russia? They never break their promise to India since the thing is produced in China.
Possible scenario. But an even more likely scenario would be 100 engines going to China and China sends 85 of them in JF-17s to Pakistan regardless of what Russia said in public to India. Russia would simply say to India that the engines were sent to China and what China did with them Russia has no control over.
There are over three dozen Russian companies in Zhuhai right now competing with Boeing, Eurocopter, Airbus and over 500 other companies to sell to the Chinese market (which is even more massive on the civilian end and China makes no bones about linkage.)
Russia is not going to block sales to China or sabotage its own firms chances in the Chinese market just because China sends RD-93s it already paid for to Pakistan.
End of the story,we will still see a RD-93 in FC-1 in March but in a different name(Taihan?).
We are already seeing the RD-93 in the FC-1. But like I said, the more serious part of that story is the high rejection rate. Unexpected delays and problems from manufacture and execution are real. Imagining that China’s negotiation team somehow overlooked the giant, glaring addendum that engine can’t be re-exported to Pakistan is plain silly and wishful thinking.
After six years of testing and flying prototypes with the Pakistani flag painted on them we’re pretty sure that if there was a problem then funding would have been pulled way before prototype 06. The program is speeding up not slowing down.
GoldenDragonNo Russia will not let china export Rd-93 to pakistan. Its very obvious and like rafale’s for plan thread some people are delusional and clutching at straws. Looks like the indigenous engine is not ready to be exported yet. China will not cancel its deals with russia simply because no one else will sell them anything.
:rolleyes: The only delusions are from those who believe that after six years of testing and building infrastructure someone suddenly found out that there is a problem with the wording of the contract.
That, my friend, is grasping at straws. If there is a problem with the engine then the FC-1 would not have been made. Pakistan itself would have pulled funding and asked for a different project. If people on the internet could point out the re-export problem then the negotiators in China and Pakistan would know as well when they started the project in 1999 and bargained with Russia.
People are not as blind or as dumb as you wish they are.
GoldenDragonIf there is any chance that Russia would not allow the RD-93 to go to Pakistan then China’s negotiators would never have chosen the RD-93 for the FC-1. If there were no other suitable engine then the FC-1 would not have gone ahead. It’s that simple.
The fact that the FC-1 is flying and the preparations for the assembly lines in Pakistan are happening means that there is no problem with the engine. If there were the project would never have gone forward.
It’s absolutely unreasonable to assume that after six years, someone decided that exporting the engine to Pakistan is a problem. If it is a problem then it would have been a problem in 1999 and China and Pakistan would have chosen another Chengdu project (like the F-7MF) instead of the FC-1.
GoldenDragonChina’s prestige would be important to the Russians but not India’s security ? :rolleyes: this matter is as important to Russia and India as it is to the Chinese.
China’s prestige is important to China. Whether China’s prestige is important to Russia is irrelevant.
Because it is important to China, its negotiators would not have signed for either the RD-93 or the FC-1 if the project was snagged on a contractual fine print like re-export.
The fact that project is going forward means that the engine problem is not an issue.
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