Not really a new phenomenom. China has been exporting aircraft by the hundreds since the 1960s.
Chinese aircraft exports are like clockwork. Anyone can open a thread like this on China and report on a constant stream of military sales because China sells a good number of military aircraft year in and year out.
The fighters like the F-7s and the FC-1s get most of the news but there is a whole suite of Chinese aircraft. Planes like the Y-12 and the K-8 are sold in good numbers without much fanfare.
Here is another picture.
A rare picture of the B-6D in black/dark green liverage. There were four sold by China to Iraq in the early 90s.
AFM’s August edition reports that the Bolivian Air Force (Fuerza Area Boliviana) has signed a memo with Xian for two MA-60s.
sadly speaking, J-7/8 is still the backbone of the force for the next 5 to 10 years.
Actually, you can’t put up “J-7/J-8” as one. The backbone is the ubiquitous J-7s with around maybe 600 – 800 depending on how people calculate retirement of the order variants. There are also J-6 in some squadrons.
Then again, when there are around 300 Flankers and possibly another 200 – 300 BVR capable J-8IIs, the J-7 backbone is not as important as before.
what is this owax planw ????
What the hell is a “planw”?
Is there an official policy barring ethnic Chinese from becoming pilots in the RMAF?
The name Lt Kol Tan Hui Hock in the article below is clearly Chinese.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/6/24/nation/14642794&sec=nation
Cheers,
Sunho
There is a policy to bar Chinese (and other minorities) from staff positions. Meaning they are not allowed to be promoted.
The Chinese community used to contribute a majority of pilots in the RMAF. In fact, this was so prevalent and well-known in the military world that the USAF noted the RMAF in a study on affirmative action concerning the lack of African-American pilots. In the US, African-Americans pilots form (or formed since the study was done in the 1980s) an exceedinlgy small percentage of pilots while the Chinese in Malaysia, also a minority and suffering official discrimination, formed an exceedingly large number of the RMAF’s pilots.
As for “racial conspiracy theories” :rolleyes:
The NEP policy is official. Malaysian law states OFFICIALLY that non-bumi are to be restricted from schools and government jobs. This is law not a conspiracy. Its purpose is to enforce stratas of citizenship. It is to make sure that some are more equal than others.
BTW, the lowest members of this racial strata are actually Tamils and other southern Indians who had their schools closed in massive numbers, mired in poverty and forced to emigrate. Unlike Indians in Chinese-dominated communities like Singapore and Hong Kong where they are well off because they are allowed the same rights as the majority population.
Like the old Cold War days. Masses of aircraft.
J8-IIs.
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2006/08/02/top4.htm
Pakistan imports China’s made 19-seat Y12 Airplanes
Ruth Chen ‘Pakistan Times’ Foreign CorrespondentBEIJING (China): Pakistan has recently imported some light aircraft from a manufacturer in northeast China’s Heilongjiang Province to meet its domestic needs.
The 19-seat Y12 series planes are twin-engine, general-purpose monoplanes designed and developed by the Harbin Aviation Industry (Group) Ltd. (HAI), based in China’s Heilongjiang provincial capital Harbin.
According to the company sources, the aircraft would be mainly used for troop transport and emergency rescue operations. By the end of 2005, HAI had sold more than 100 such aircraft to 20 countries and regions, such as Pakistan, Nepal, Peru, Zambia, Tanzania and Namibia.
China’s home-made aircraft are gaining popularity abroad, especially in developing countries.
Last Friday, China delivered two domestically manufactured Xinzhou-60 passenger planes developed by the Xi’an Aircraft Company, to Laos and the Republic of Congo, the first such sales to the two countries.
Not anymore they’re not. The Chinese had always produced far more pilots for the RMAF than their overall numbers until NEP.
The Chinese population is pretty much going extinct in that place as a whole but it going down much faster in the air force because of pro-bumi rules.
Great thread!
Let’s not forget that by the standard of countries outside the P5, Iraq had a massive air force of over 900 planes right before Desert Storm in 1990. About 500-600 of those were combat aircraft — fighters or bombers.
More sales of the Y-12.
http://english.people.com.cn/200608/01/eng20060801_288618.html
China exports light, multi-purpose airplanes to Zambia
Three China-made light aircraft from a manufacturer in northeast China’s Heilongjiang Province were delivered to Zambia’s Defense Ministry on Monday.
The 19-seat Y12 series planes are twin-engine, general-purpose monoplanes designed and developed by the Harbin Aviation Industry (Group) Ltd. (HAI), based in the provincial capital Harbin.
The aircraft would be mainly used for troop transport and emergency rescue operations, said Chilufya Kapwepwe, counselor at Zambia’s embassy to China.
Zambia bought five of the Y12 series in the deal. The other two will be delivered in November.
Also I wanna know…
..if any of you guys can provide a three view drawing of the FT-7 or the JJ-7..??
I’ve been looking for one for years. Haven’t found one. So you might have to use one of the MiG-21U and modify it to have two ventral fins.
Also, you could use the JL-9 as a base too. The rear section is identical to the FT-7. The double-delta wings, the cheek inlets and of course the radome is different.
The RMAF’s shortage of pilots stems from a combination of a lack of sufficient aircraft for lead-in fighter training, currently about 11 Aermacchi MB-339As, and shortcomings in the pilot training programme that were addressed in 2003, the ramifications of which are only now being felt.
The shortage also stems from a legal directive to deny ethnic Chinese pilots (who once formed the vast majority of frontline squadron drivers) promotions to staff positions.
Only something like 1% of the staff officer positions are Chinese (leftovers from the old air force which had 40 percent Chinese officers.) Just one percent of staff officers while Chinese pilots even today form much of the experienced core of the flying community.
Obviously when discrimination is that open, most of the best potential candidates are not even bothering to apply. (Many of them have simply emigrated.)
The reason for this is Malaysia practices an apartheid system that systematically restricts minorities (Chinese, Tamil and indigenous tribals) from positions in government. Too bad the “bumis” (malays) have not found enough bumi flyers to fill the racial quotas for even a few dozen MiG-29s.
At least one of its requirements will be “more expensive than the 5th generation fighter.”