GoldenDragonLike “Rii” always said, Pinkow is an idiot (to be honest) and often sounds more like a spokesman or salesman fed by the Russian export agency than an expert on Chinese aviation matters !
Yes for sure. That’s exactly the reason why already more than 6 full Regiment / Brigades are using WS-10A-powered J-11B and BH. Esxactly the same reason why all other – even AL-31F-powered Regiments receive additional WS-10A-powered J-11BS and that’s for sure the reason why since the begin of the J-16 program all manufactured J-16s are WS-10-powered !
YES, the J-15 is currently the solely AL-31F-powered Chinese Flanker-version, but I think it’s so far simply a measure to be sure with a new type during its initial test for a so far unknown field (carrier aviation). Also as demonstrated by prototype ‘555’ both engines are interchangeable and I’m sure later on we will also see WS-10H-powered serial J-15.
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The amazing thing is anyone with a passing interest in Chinese mil aviation would know there are 150 WS10A powered J-11B/BS in defined units (with more airframes coming online.) This is not hidden knowledge and pretty much widely reported.
The J11H which did the barrel roll over the P-8 was a WS10A-equipped PLAN aircraft.
Two J-15s were equipped with WS10s.
GoldenDragonIf the deaths occurred several years ago why is the information only being released now?
What information is only being released now? It was a citation of two naval pilots who lost their lives during tests. We know of multiple jh-7 and a J-11BS accidents.
When someone cites the sacrifice of the US sailors and pilots at Pearl Harbor, it doesn’t mean that information just came out about the Japanese attack.
GoldenDragonGoldenDragonWell, organising an Olympic sports is not quite a fair example to extrapolate how well one nations entire military or Air Force can operate…
It’s a far more measurable indicator for national power than Thobbes racial stereotypes. Especially since that bigot has absolutely no understanding of the Chinese culture and people. The Olympics could be measured in medals.
A straight fight could be measured in land mass.
But no, Thobbes wants to talk about his take on the Chinese “human factor.” How come the human ability of a peasant army to take on the world’s foremost military and push it out of half a peninsula isn’t considered? Or how much more powerful and effective that same army is now, now that it finally have modern weapons and doctrines?
GoldenDragonThat’s the daftest thing I’ve heard yet.
So according to you East Germany had one of the best armies in the world? Or Hungary? And meanwhile the Vietnamese military is rubbish according to your definition. And Indonesian army (largely dedicated to internal policing) is better than the professional Dutch one!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table#NOCs_with_medals
Olympic teams have nothing to do with militaries.
I don’t see how say a US Olympic basketballer or javelin thrower relates to US Army or US Marines (and difference in culture between those two is considerable).
So all your mumble jumble about the “human factor” gives a better prediction?
Then how about a straight forward fight between the US and China? Better indicator, correct. The US military held North Korean territory all the way to the Chinese border in October, 1950. By war’s end, the US Army was back on the 38th Parallel.
GoldenDragonThese things influence such things as taking initiative, aggressiveness/passiveness, flexibility, focus on planning (rigid, flexible) as well as command structures and even things like maintenance
You’ll find all these in the creation and training of the Olympic squads. If you really want to take these things into consideration then simply looking at the Olympic standings will tell you relative place of the nations and their militaries. The top 10 especially the top five match the world’s great power standings exactly. Now of course, you’ll dismiss this because racially the second ranked nation doesn’t conform to your views on this “human factor.”
GoldenDragonAgree that gold lust is a goofball and isn’t even Chinese. That said, this is a troll thread created by someone looking for bigoted responses. Goldust just happens to play the foil.
GoldenDragonAwww look at you, don’t like being proved a hypocrite! You sound hurt! Did you find something with ‘Made in England’ stamped on it and noticed it was better than the rubbish you copy!
That’s a nice racist comment. This is a troll thread and the hypocrites supporting it expect only anti-Chinese comments to be accepted?
GoldenDragonNo it doesn’t belong here. It doesn’t even belong in philosophy discussion thread. It’s race-baiting post full of stereotypes and racial innuendos where the poster shouts down any difference in opinions by calling you a nationalist.
GoldenDragonNot nearly as interesting as your reasons for starting this thread, and your contradiction about the modern Chinese military whilst using a conflict that happened in the 1970’s as an “example”…
Thobbes is only interested in pushing his stereotypes of the Chinese. His “human” factor argument refuses to even look at the most dominant example of the PRC military experience which was how a peasant army devoid of modern equipment was able to confront a WWII harden US military and actually take and then HOLD the whole of N Korea. NO nation had ever taken territory from the US military under force of arms and then keep it until cessation of hostilities.
If you point this out then you’re a nationalist.
You can’t argue with a bigot clinging tight to his beliefs.
GoldenDragonRather than throwing your toys out of the pram along with accusations of racism (whilst doing a rather decent job of coming across as a rabid nationalist…) why didn’t you address the thoughts posted and point out where they are wrong?
Or has the original post hit rather too close to the truth for your comfort?
Yes, thobbes’s racist stereotypes hit close to home. If I’m a nationalist for countering his racist “ideas” then a nationalist I am. Though I don’t call China my home and I have complete distain for communism.
And yes, I did answer his “ideas” (racial innuendos) by pointing out Korea. Any nation that can take on and shove back the US military across the length and breadth of N Korea is formidable. Taking and holding ground from the US under any circumstance was simply not done – except by the Chinese.
Seriously why is this thread in modern aviation? So thobbes can throw out his racist ideas and call anyone who challenges them a “nationalist”? He should opined on something he knows about and where his bigotry doesn’t come into play.
He doesn’t even know the basics when discussing the Chinese. The PLA is an overwhelmingly
volunteer force since the army is a way out of the villages.
GoldenDragonYet you couldn’t repeat your performance against Vietnam and you certainly couldn’t kick the Nationalists off even some of the smaller islands right on the coast of China.
Interesting.
Also you completely disregard the Korean terrain advantages or restrictive US rules of engagement (e.g. no combat sorties above Yalu). If the US operated against PRC with same ROE as against Germany and Japan, Beijing, Shanghai etc would be levelled.
Nationalists are such a sad lot to debate with.
It’s worthless debating a racist with stereotypes already set in his mind. The US couldn’t repeat its customary performance versus Vietnam either. So what is your point? Ignore the American disaster in Vietnam but point out the Chinese one?
ROE? The chinese war with Vietnam was not a full scale affair either. Who is to say that it wouldn’t have gone to Hanoi if it had the same threat it did in Korea which was the US army at its doorstep.
In fact, the only reason that the US didn’t roll into N. Vietnam like it did in Korea was because of the threat of Chinese intervention.
Taiwan? They made a pretty viable landing and takeover of Hainan and would have done the same to Taiwan if the 7th Fleet hadn’t been in the way.
ANY nation that can take ground from the US military and keep it until the end of the war is formidable though a racist could never see past his stereotypes.
BTW, I know exactly what you mean by “human factor.” A bigot stinks of ignorance through his words.
GoldenDragonIt is most definitely a garbage troll thread and really deserves a garbage answer.
That said, the best indicator of how the PRC will perform is to look at its Olympic teams. Just like the military, they are national organs created to compete against other nations. They’ll be far more competitive than people expect just like in Korea. That was a peasant force that had no right pushing the US Army across the entire length of North Korea and then end the war with territory gained something that neither the Japanese or Germans were able to do against Anerican forces.
GoldenDragonKid, if you are Chinese (and that’s a huge if) then ignore the trolls and just watch the news on this thread. The most exciting developments in fighter aircraft is happening here. Don’t derail the thread by answering them, especially since you don’t have the political or technical background. I can see that from just your most recent posts here. It almost seems that you’re deliberately making dumb statements so the trolls and racists can point to you as an example of an uninformed Chinaman.
GoldenDragonBecause China is Russia’s strategic ally, China gets the very best of Russian military technology. J-15 is only a small part of it.
China NEVER got the best of anything from Russia. No Chinese with any knowledge of Chinese aviation would ever say that. Are you actually Chinese or are you someone pretending to be Chinese?
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