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    In WWII the Best pilots were German followed by the Japanese from far behind.

    The pilots with the most “kills” where Germans and Japanese. Whether they were the best depended on the year of the war. They simply fought until they were killed and therefore tacked on huge kill numbers. American and British pilots were rotated after tours to train other pilots.

    The Japanese skill level fell off sharply after Guadalcanal. Before the Solomons and especially before Midway, there are historians who say that the IJN pilots (both attack and fighter) of Nagumo Strike force had legimate claims as the best squadrons in the world. Carrier pilots were and are by definition trained longer than land-based ones.

    But they were an elite group of several hundred. When they were worn away after Guadacanal (Midway destroyed Nagumo’s veterans and Guadalcanal grounded away the rest,) Japan had almost nothing.

    People forget that the Japanese created superlative aircraft in the last years of the war — Ki-100, Ki-84, the N1K2, etc. — but atrocious pilots.

    Germany had great pilots but their edge over Americans and British were slight to non-existent depending on the year of the war. By the end, the Luftwaffe was grounded to bits. Germany’s kill record came mostly against Russia. So did Finland’s.

    In fact, Finland used what was considered the WORST US plane in the Pacific War, the Brewster Buffalo, to create 16 or so aces and hundreds of kills.

    Argentina and Iraq had good pilots but in general they lost their respective wars due to the less advanced equipment and lesser numbers in high tech weaponry.

    Argentina’s attack pilots were actually too good. At the Falklands, the A-4 pilots pressed their attacks so close that there were a dozen hits where bombs went in one side of British ships and out the other before exploding. They had armor-piercing bombs that were incorrectly fused for the situation. The Brits could have lost far more ships than the two kills by exocets.

    in reply to: General Discussion #338057
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    The highest scoring pilots in history came from a totalitarian society—Nazi Germany. The highest scoring pilots from the Allies came from the Soviet Union.

    The thread did say “commie dictatorships.” Nazi Germany is a uber-efficient far right system where the vast majority of people within the state was incredbly free. The people not “free” in Nazi Germany were jews, gypsies and other minorities.

    In Russia or Mao China, it was the direct opposite of Germany. The vast majority of people were not free.

    At any rate, the Luftwaffe’s high kill ratio can almost entirely against the Russian air force. In the West, the Germans were grounded to bits in the air. By the time of D-Day, Germany could not even put up a single squadron to protect its panzers. If the Germans had any air cover at all, the Allies would have been grounded into meat patty underneath treads barely 10 miles inland (outside the range of effective naval fire – though 8 inch cruiser and 14 inch and up battleship guns could reach even further.)

    However, wealthier societies is able to afford more resources into training pilots. Does not matter if the society is free or not, it all comes down to the buckaroos.

    The overwhelming evidence is that buckaroos depends on freedoms and the rule of law. Communist states restrict personal freedom and kills any hope of enterprise. They are ALWAYS poorer than freer neighbors.

    Any nation that is poorer than a communist nation is NOT a free nation. Remember that communist nations aren’t the only kind of unfree societies. There are a variety of feudal systems. Even worse societies are those like serfdom (which led to communism in the first place) and castes.

    GoldenDragon
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    The highest scoring pilots in history came from a totalitarian society—Nazi Germany. The highest scoring pilots from the Allies came from the Soviet Union.

    The thread did say “commie dictatorships.” Nazi Germany is a uber-efficient far right system where the vast majority of people within the state was incredbly free. The people not “free” in Nazi Germany were jews, gypsies and other minorities.

    In Russia or Mao China, it was the direct opposite of Germany. The vast majority of people were not free.

    At any rate, the Luftwaffe’s high kill ratio can almost entirely against the Russian air force. In the West, the Germans were grounded to bits in the air. By the time of D-Day, Germany could not even put up a single squadron to protect its panzers. If the Germans had any air cover at all, the Allies would have been grounded into meat patty underneath treads barely 10 miles inland (outside the range of effective naval fire – though 8 inch cruiser and 14 inch and up battleship guns could reach even further.)

    However, wealthier societies is able to afford more resources into training pilots. Does not matter if the society is free or not, it all comes down to the buckaroos.

    The overwhelming evidence is that buckaroos depends on freedoms and the rule of law. Communist states restrict personal freedom and kills any hope of enterprise. They are ALWAYS poorer than freer neighbors.

    Any nation that is poorer than a communist nation is NOT a free nation. Remember that communist nations aren’t the only kind of unfree societies. There are a variety of feudal systems. Even worse societies are those like serfdom (which led to communism in the first place) and castes.

    GoldenDragon
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    Reading the attrition list is a big part of following aviation.

    in reply to: Russian stunt pilots to fly through cave in China #2566296
    GoldenDragon
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    Looks like after they saw the hole, thought it over and decided better of it.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-03/17/content_4314665.htm

    Russian aircraft not to fly through tourist mountain hole
    http://www.chinaview.cn 2006-03-17 21:56:16

    ZHANGJIAJIE, March 17 (Xinhuanet) — Russian aircraft will not perform any stunt of flying through a tourist mid-air mountain hole in Zhangjiajie, central China’s Hunan Province.

    The information was released at a press conference Friday before the aerobatic show was launched.

    The decision is made out of consideration on ecological and environmental protection, since heavy aircraft can cause powerful air current when flying low, that might damage both the aircraft and the cave, according to the Russian stunt team at the conference.

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    in reply to: General Discussion #338089
    GoldenDragon
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    Only free societies that have wealthy economies and have air planes 😀

    A person raised in a democratic society enjoying basic human rights like freedom of speech, expression, learning etc. would naturally develop a personality that reflects these values.

    True. It is even more evident among a free country’s business class than just pilots.

    That is why free societies (with one glaring exception which proves the rule) are in general very rich and not only produce good pilots but also lots of first rate equipment for their pilots from their wealth.

    On the other hand, a country that is very poor is probably not a truely free society no matter what it attempts to call itself. Poverty is a symptom of oppression and inequality. No man chooses to be poor and unless extremely untalented would not be poor if he had true freedom.

    If a so-called “free” nation is among the poorest states in the world then it is not a free nation. The majority of such a nation is oppressed by other means than the right to vote. Lack of education, lack of upward mobility and lack of nutrition are signs of lack of freedom. Poverty is the greatest sign that there is no real freedom.

    Therefore, a truly free society should NEVER be poorer than a commie or unfree neighbor. Freedom will allow talented people to create wealth and well-being for the society as a whole which in turns produce good aircraft and good pilots.

    Truly free nations would never buy commie MiGs and Sukhois. They buy from the West or produce their own. They would never have allied themselves with the country Reagan called the “Evil Empire.” You will never see real free state like Australia, Japan or Canada fly MiGs.

    That said, communist nations could produce good pilots in the same way they produce astronauts, ballerinas and athletes. Training in elite groups and from an early age.

    GoldenDragon
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    Only free societies that have wealthy economies and have air planes 😀

    A person raised in a democratic society enjoying basic human rights like freedom of speech, expression, learning etc. would naturally develop a personality that reflects these values.

    True. It is even more evident among a free country’s business class than just pilots.

    That is why free societies (with one glaring exception which proves the rule) are in general very rich and not only produce good pilots but also lots of first rate equipment for their pilots from their wealth.

    On the other hand, a country that is very poor is probably not a truely free society no matter what it attempts to call itself. Poverty is a symptom of oppression and inequality. No man chooses to be poor and unless extremely untalented would not be poor if he had true freedom.

    If a so-called “free” nation is among the poorest states in the world then it is not a free nation. The majority of such a nation is oppressed by other means than the right to vote. Lack of education, lack of upward mobility and lack of nutrition are signs of lack of freedom. Poverty is the greatest sign that there is no real freedom.

    Therefore, a truly free society should NEVER be poorer than a commie or unfree neighbor. Freedom will allow talented people to create wealth and well-being for the society as a whole which in turns produce good aircraft and good pilots.

    Truly free nations would never buy commie MiGs and Sukhois. They buy from the West or produce their own. They would never have allied themselves with the country Reagan called the “Evil Empire.” You will never see real free state like Australia, Japan or Canada fly MiGs.

    That said, communist nations could produce good pilots in the same way they produce astronauts, ballerinas and athletes. Training in elite groups and from an early age.

    in reply to: Chinese exports, part III! #2567676
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    How does their pilot training work? In the USAF, for example, you’ll go into the AJT/LIFT track if you’re selected after pilot training for fighters or bombers. Ergo, you get sent to a T-38 training unit to get fast jet experience. THEN you go to an “OCU” for training on your specific type.

    Our buddy at CDF Rick Kamer would probably know best but the PLAAF has flight academies (where the K-8s are deployed) and then trainees are tracked to various training squadrons for the different air groups in the PLAAF. PLANAF is run a similar way for the three Fleets.

    If the PLAAF does things in a similar fashion, then the J-10B and Su-27UBK would be the OCU workhorses, with the JL-9 or L-15 still having a significant role as the AJT/LIFT platform.

    Actually, the Flanker two-seater probably work in a similar fashion as a conversion trainer. The UBKs are not grouped together in homogenous training units but parcelled out in twos and fours to different frontline squads.

    Crobato and Rick would probably have more to add on this.

    in reply to: Chinese exports, part III! #2567688
    GoldenDragon
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    Are the Q-5J and JL-9 competing designs?

    Many see the Q-5J and the JL-9 as last grasps from China’s yawning excess capacity in a/c assembly lines to keep work and employment. So they are competing aircraft in that regards.

    But they do use current homegrown engines that the L-15 won’t employ until the WS-11 matures. So very likely to be interim trainers for a specific role like that of the F-7 for the JL-9 and the remaining Q5s for the Q-5J.

    Otherwise, the long-term future for both seem pretty bleak. Pakistan actually mentioned the JL-9 outright as an aircraft that would NOT fulfill its needs and asked for the two-seater FC-1. For the PAF to come out and publicly say it probably meant that FTC2000 was, initially at least, pushed as a lead-in trainer for FC-1.

    And what of the L-15? Where do the three of these fit into the PLAAF’s plans?

    I think the L-15, unless the WS-11 matures very quickly, would go the same route as the K-8. It would be exported first before being inducted into the PLAAF in numbers.

    The L-15 does have very high specs being a supersonic trainer and being designed from the beginning as a modular aircraft that can be expanded into a family of planes. The FC-1 is also being marketed in the same way and is also an export first product. If the two-seat FC-1 is created, the L-15 could suffer a bit. But L-15 as a followon to the K-8 does have a core group of potential customers.

    I’d think they’d want one of the three designs, to serve as the advanced jet trainer and LIFT platform to complement the K-8.

    Most likely the JL-9 would be chosen as the interim AJT/LIFT for J-7s and J-8IIs. The J-10 has the B variant. The Flanker fleet has the UBKs.

    Again, like in helocopters and fighters, China has a bewildering number of programs for trainers. Probably not efficient use of resources though excess capacity means units desperate to keep work would continue to throw up new projects (and ideas for projects.)

    Most of them don’t want to end up making ashtrays like Arthur said of the plant that once produced J-22 Oraos.

    in reply to: Yugoslavia IAR93 #2567693
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    Nice discussion. Always liked this plane.

    If anyone who is into modeling wants to make an interesting diorama: build a flightline with a J22/IAR93, a Jaguar and a FLOUNDER side-by-side.

    I just might do that in a CG diorama. Would take time to model three planes. But would be a good excuse to do some modelling.

    Too bad Romania’s Oraos are retired and being scrapped now. I remember a foggy January afternoon in Craoiva, talking with a rather sad IAR test pilot about unfinished Orao hulks and an aircraft plant now making (absolutely hideous) ashtrays…

    There is no such thing as a non-hideous ashtray.

    in reply to: Chinese exports, part III! #2567695
    GoldenDragon
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    A flock of trainers

    It would interesting to see how each of these two seaters will do in the future.

    The L-15 which just flew this. The JL-9/FTC-2000 that flew last year. The K-8 in its latest variants. The new Q-5J two seater.

    And last but not least the JJ-7/FT-7 of which the PG model is still being exported.

    in reply to: China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 9 #2569031
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    Another L-15 picture.

    GoldenDragon
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    FYI 21Ankush gook don’t apply spacifically to chinese…and if you have the audacity to actually say something as offensive as gook as least stand by it and not edit your post.

    It’s an attack on all East Asians, actually. All the dehumanizing “drones” and “clones” talk from Indians is already pretty close to racial slurs. This is just another step in the same direction.

    GoldenDragon
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    30 J-10s built, 5 LCA built so why you bragg so much?

    Saying there are at least 6 times more J-10s than 4 (not 5) LCAs is “bragging”? It’s just numbers, friend.

    Just as China has exported 100s of aircraft to India’s big fat zero.

    Anyways, nice talking to you tonight, Strevitel. I’m going to brag about the L-15 now in my giant and ongoing Chinese news and pictures thread 😀

    GoldenDragon
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    by the way i feel very proud China builds Brazilian ERJ-145s

    Good, you can sooth your jealousy that way. Remember, Strevitel, only a small jealous man is worried about other people’s pride.

    Say, why do you come to Chinese threads anyways? You seem to be so envious and racist towards us all the time? Is China’s rise too much for you to handle? Is envy eating away at your insides?

    Come on, it’s only airplanes 🙂

    Learn to be an aviation enthusiasts not a jealous angry person.

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