[B]Okay Golden Dragon have you the total number and i mean exact of J-10s?

Lets say it’s more than four, okay? And the majority of them are not prototype 😀

I do not see why the Indians or me are envious?

Then why all the sour grapes and racial slurs? Why not just accept the fact that Chinese military aircraft are sold around the world and India’s are not? I mean, there’s no point in denying that Bangladesh and Nigeria just recently bought Chinese fighter jets.

Or that 150 Chinese aircraft were sold by AVIC between 2004 and 2005 to India’s big fat ZERO.

Just look at the numbers.

Oh a new Chinese trainer flew just today, the L-15. Just accept pure, unadulterated numbers and stop being so jealous and peeved. Only a small man is worried about someone’s else pride. Be proud of your own ability instead of needing to bring someone else down.

Gonden Dragon try not to be proud China has achieved feats no doubt about it be see reality as it is not in a distorted and false perspective.

Sorry friend. Only jealous people are worried about whether someone else is proud.

China and India are more less in the same level you like it or not, china might be a little better economy and it`s aircraft industry little bit better but not as you claim

What have I claimed? All I claimed is that India has nothing to export while China has exported hundreds planes and with the new L-15 flying (not to mention the JL-9 and upgraded K-8, in the just the trainers alone) there is an even larger sales list.

When one Chinese firm, AVIC, sold 150 aircraft in 2004/2005 and the whole Indian industry had sold nothing in the same period. There is no comparison. How can you compare 150 to zero?

What is there to complain about from your end?

The other aviation related item was the J-10 and the LCA. There are 4 LCA prototypes.

But there are many pictures of J-10s in regimental colors. There are also pictures of the two-seater J-10. The J-10 single and two-seaters were not developed in tandem, unlike the Typhoon.

So if the two-seater is flying then the single-seat have already progressed to the point of production in order for the two-seater to be feasible.

You wouldn’t build a two-seater when your single-seater was still in testing. You would never know if the problem came from the initial design or from the changes made to add the second seat.

Also, there are hundreds of engines, the AL-31FN, which can ONLY be used by the J-10 either delivered or on order.

So how can you even compare than with 4 prototypes and its vaporware two-seater?

No one is claiming anything except straight numbers.

tell me who designed the MiG-19, was it Mao or Artem Mikoyan?

Where was the J-6 made? In China or Russia?

Who designed the MiG-19, Mig-17 MiG-23 MiG-15? was not the great Artem Mikoyan?

And who invented the paper that the great Artem Mikoyan wrote his design on?

And what was the engine that powered the MiG-15 and formed the based for the engines that powered the rest of MiGs? Was that designed in UK or Russia?

:rolleyes:

the Russian allowed to build the whole aircraft in China

And the US allowed Russians to build whole aircraft in Russia too! But it doesn’t mean the MiGs belong to America.

So if Chinese people build a J-6, it belonged to Russia because the Russians allowed them. And when the Russians build a MiG-15, it belongs to the UK because they allowed them to build the plane (along with the Nene.)

Is that what you are saying?

Jealous of what? is Russia a part of WTO?

Jealous of Chinese people? Who knows. You were banned from a Chinese forum (which is full of non-Chinese) because you repeated the same racial stereotypes over and over and over again. You also took up massive bandwidth with that insane Flogger thread.

Also what happened betwen two communist countries 44 years ago are of little importance now.

Hey, you brought it up.

But you are avoiding one simple fact and that is the J-7 is a MiG-21 build in China and not a domestic design all the Mig-19s China sold to Paksitan are MiG-19, same all the Q-5 fantam same all the Tu-16s sold by China to Egypt or all the Il-28 sold to Albania by China

And the design Nene engine that allowed Russia to go into the jet age came from the UK and the base design of all jets came from Nazi Germany.

The fact remains that China actually built the J-7, Q-5, J-6, H-5 and H-6 and then export them for either cash or political influence in Albania and several dozen other countries. They didn’t have to depend on Russia for the parts.

“Design”? There are literally thousands of designs around the world that are left unbuilt because there is no ability to actually manufacture them.

China builds airplanes in their entirety IN China and IN massive numbers. We don’t see any of that ability in India. If we did, we wouldn’t be hearing excuses like “we respect their rights” :rolleyes:

Sorry, but that is such a silly excuse. You are saying India respected the Russians so much that they even refused to design their own planes?

But even taking away the J-6, J-7, H-5, H-6, the Chinese have the K-8 and Y-12 which have sold hundreds. There are no Indian jet trainers in Egypt, Sri Lanka, Zambia or a half dozen other countries. I don’t see an Indian light transport/liason plane in Kenya, Peru, Tanzania, etc. like the Y-12.

Look at the numbers, they are so one-sided that any comparison is ludicrous.

Why you expect Russia to do? go to a war, Russia lacked the capitalist market instruments to protect it`s rights.

:rolleyes: Ever heard of a trade war? Russia could always bring it up in court. It doesn’t because there is no case.

The J-7 is sold around the world. The K-8 is sold around the world. The CJ6A was sold around the world. The Y-12 is sold around the world. A half dozen other Chinese models are sold around the world. Not one intellectual rights suit brought against the Chinese aviation industry.

Just because you are jealous doesn’t mean your sour-grapes accusations have any weight.

If the Russians thought they had a chance of winning, they would have brought a case to somebody. The J-7 is still selling today and will probably sell until the final production line is turned over to the FC-1.

Then the FC-1 will sell 😀

All your excuse why China does not respects The MiG-21 license

What “excuses”? The J-7 is sold around the world. Why would we need to excuse something that is accepted as Chinese. What part of the J-7 is made in Russia? Russia has never bought a case against the J-7 for “violating” any non-existing intellectual property. And if they feel the J-7 belongs to them, they can always cut contracts with China.

China sells the J-7s becasue simply does not respect Rusia`s rights after they broke relations

When has Russia or any communist government ever respected IP rights? Have you ever saw the Tu-4/B-29? Do you know what the Nene engine is? It came from England and was the base engine for ALL of Russia’s subsequent jets. Ever heard of the AIM-9 Sidewinder? It became the Atoll and was the basis of ALL of Russia’s ifrared AAMs.

Where are the payouts to Rolls Royce and Raytheon from the USSR? :rolleyes:

India respected the deal simply because they had normal relations with Russia/Soviet Union

India respects the deal because they are incapable of fully manufacturing the MiG-21 even today. They are dependent on Russian parts to the point that when the MiG-21s are falling out of the sky, India was blaming Russia for bad parts and Russia was accusing India of buying bad parts from Eastern Europe :rolleyes:

BTW, Flogger, thanks for bringing up the economy and India’s lack of resources and budget as a reason they are behind. Extreme poverty one of the major reasons, anyways.