There is absolutely no evidence of Russian involvement in the PL-12 or SD-10 .

Otherwise, they would be testing it from a Su27Sk or J-11. It was tested from J-8II.

PL-12 is not seen on a Russian platform in either Russia or China. It is seen on two Chinese platforms, the J-10 and J-8II. The SD-10, which might or might not be the PL-12 is seem on yet another Chinese platform.

At any rate, AGAT has explicitly denied involvement to Jane’s.

Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, August 2004. Even the name of the official, Akopyan, was listed:

“Recent press reports on China’s new SD-10 radar-guided air-to-air missile have commented on the similarity between the front section of the Chinese missile and that of the Vympel R-77/RVV-AE (AA-12 ‘Adder’). This has led to suspicions that the seeker of the Chinese missile is based on the Russian weapon’s AGAT 9B-1348 active-radar seeker, or is a customised 9B-1348 variant developed for China by AGAT.

Export contracts have conditions of confidentiality and information can only be released by the agreement of both sides, commented Akopyan. However, the Institute is not working with the Chinese, he said, dismissing the concept that the SD-10 has an AGAT seeker as “hot air” and “a fantasy of reporters”.

Count the J-10s! 😀

Blue Sky seems too big for the pod in the JH-7A. Besides the end seems to be sharpened.

I wouldn’t be so sure, the JH-7 is a huge plane. In fact, it looks comparable to the size of a LANTIRN pod when seen on a F-15 or F-14 (and the JH-7 is bigger than either of those.)

The pod is drawn much bigger than life in the advertisement poster.

Ofcourse there are no documents online that say “israel gave china DSI tech from the F-35”, but its in wide speculation isi’nt it ?? ..like Israel gave China the Patriot missile’s tech and denied doing so, like the Python-3 & 4, like Harpy’s, Lavi designs and loads of high end tech, tech from the F-16 used on the Lavi, etc…

So basically, you’re making this up.

At any rate, let me explain like this. The diverterless supersonic intake is not an American “design” like the AIDS drugs that US companies spent billions researching and creating (and which India was able to steal and sell to the third world at cheap prices because they never paid for the research. The moral question not being relevant to this discussion – simply that those drugs were created by Americans and then copied by Indians.) DSI is a concept.

Now, any aircraft industry could attempt to put that concept into practice. It doesn’t belong to the US any more than the idea of diverter plates belonged to the US. What you could get from the US is the data involved with the F-16 DSI program. But what good is that data since you are using a very different configuration on the FC-1 (two side intakes instead of a belly one)?

As for F-35, if China had access to the DSI data for that plane then why not the whole plane itself?

Israel was never at a point where it was actually involved in the F-35 project. It was considered as one of the possible partners before the Harpy dustup. But it is being punished by the US and left off the project.

So Israel didn’t have any parts of the F-35 program to give (unless it clandestinely took information not openly given to it.)

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Now you are in trouble, please show ME WHERE I HAVE REPEATEDLY BROUGHT UP THE WS-10 ISSUE ON AN INDIAN THREAD. not interested in flaming are we? why LIE THEN?

:rolleyes: The idiotic trick of a flamer and his sophomoric way of getting someone in “trouble.” The stupidity of this kind of foolishness.

It would make your day to get me in “trouble,” wouldn’t it, Internet warrior? :rolleyes:

May I also add that all Indian origin drugs sold in the US have the approval of the US Govt, obviously Golden Dragon did not know. One wonders why he always tries to bring unrelated subjects that HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT on ws-10 threads?

One wonders why an Indian would repeatedly bring up Indian idiocies on a WS-10 thread which in turn came about when the same Indian for some idiotic reasons repeatedly brings up the WS-10 on a LCA thread – a thread I’ve left untouched because unlike you I’ve no interest in flaming.

Now, your Indian cohort had tried to insinuate that India is somehow more “honorable” than China in not copying engines and I gave him my opinion on India’s copying of the things that it is capable of copying.

If you dislike this opinion of that India “steal” (quoted directly from American public television) then kindly take your nationalistic ego-massaging elsewhere and you won’t an response from me. There is no reason for him to bring up India in this thread nor was there reason for him to bring up the WS-10 in the LCA thread.

in any event there is no point in wasting bandwith with idiotic nationalistic logic. Let us move on to Chinese products and not have the orgasm to include India everytime.

We would move on to Chinese subjects and I hope you Indian fellows would drop from this thread your nationalistic and irrelevant comments (which are nothing but idiotic Indian ego-boosting guided by a stupid, misplaced and delusional sense of rivalry tinged with dumb jealousy.)

You move on and I’ll move on. This will be last post in regards to your nation, Sameer. Take your Indian-centric comments back to a thread that isn’t Chinese related and everything will be fine.

I think you should stick to discussing linlin and lun lun and ding dongs with the rest of your madrassa educated bretheren

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India actually has laws that allow its companies to steal intellectual property of the world drugs companies. It is able to copy drugs and it does. It isn’t able to copy engines and it doesn’t.

There’s nothing “honorable” about the decision to copy or not. It’s about the technical ability in regards to the item in question.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june01/india_03-15.html

“Reverse engineering
FRED DE SAM LAZARO: The reason Indian drug companies can sell Sildinafil and hundreds of other drugs so cheaply is that they reverse engineer or copy the newest medicines, many still under patent to multinational companies like MERCK and Pfizer, and they can do it legally. In 1970, the Indian government passed a law that it said would put the nation’s interests ahead of profit to multinational corporations. ”

“ALAN HOLMER: There’s a vast body of evidence that raises severe questions with respect to the quality and the effectiveness of the medicines that are being made available by the companies that steal the ideas of others and then try to make products on their own. The American pharmaceutical industry takes enormous pride in the quality of our products, and there is a very significant issue in India with respect to the quality of the products that are being produced by these companies.”