half of chinese forum boards got jammed up and only microblogs are working.
tomorrow guys… tomorrow.
This thing better fly soon with the country so worked up.
But with official pictures with Hu being taken that’s almost a certainty (unless the guy is just an actor and those are props.)
You don’t put the Premier in a picture next to a project with any chance of failure.
It was fun while it lasted. At least now we know there is a second one.
first flight pilots lined up to shake hands with “the boss”.
8 of them 😮speculation:
2 each in 2 twin seat J-10S and 1x K-8, that leaves 2 pilots for…j–20.=====
Hey, the Yahoo Tieba guy who posted this post onto Tieba.
I AM ONLY SPECULATING, no basis for this speculation.
There are two J-10 two-seaters? I thought the previous pictures only showed the K-8 as the chase plane?
Thanks for the minute by minute reporting!
I actually did some calculations. Since the J-10 is 16.43m J-20 value doesn’t go over 21m or roughly 69 feet (worst case).
My thoughts as well, a wee bit smaller than a Flanker which is about 22m.
Also from CMF, a comparison of the size of the J-20 in relation to the J-10 and the ubiquitous JAC light truck.
By this gauge this thing is about flanker size if not smaller.

Posted on CMF by ChairmanMAOhamet via Sina.com forum. First flight supposedly occurred at 1:28AM ??? (China time, early morning), Dec. 31. A night flight?
Google translation:
China 2012 J20 Black Hawk production aircraft will be equipped with engines made
继上次发了一篇中国第4代机早已试飞今天我再透露点消息昨天晚上零晨
1:28 Following last made a 4th generation machine has long been China’s first test flight today, I again point the message last night said the early morning 1:28中国的第4代机进行了攻击测试非常成功
China’s 4th generation machine to attack the test was very successful全厅响起了热烈的掌声很多人都激动的流出了眼泪领导还特批放假2天!
The whole hall burst into applause lot of people are excited to shed tears leadership has also granted the land to 2 days holiday!目前测试项目已经进行到武器攻击测试阶段然后明年初进行机体最大荷载和最强机动性测试另外纠正下现在大家所说的第4代型号的问题大家说的J 14 目前没有这个型号J1 5是舰载机型号J20才是第4代机我们习惯把他叫成黑鹰!
The current project has been carried out to test the weapon before the testing phase early next year, the strongest body mobility maximum load and the correct test under the now we have said also the 4th generation models of the problems we say there is no J 14 J1 5 is a ship of this type Machine Model J20 is contained in the 4th generation machine we used to put his name into the Black Hawk!另外再透露一下我们的舰载机和4代机是同时进行的在某型号的基础上进行了改进目前的问题是此型号飞机要即要面临滑式起飞又要面对将来可能出现的弹飞起飞的问题!
An additional disclose our 4th generation aircraft carrier and the machine is at the same time on the basis of a particular model to improve the current problem is that this type of aircraft to be faced with sliding Qifei to face potential future Danfei take-off problem!预计2012年进行正式生产2014年能准备第一台国产4代机!
2012, official production in 2014 to prepare the first generation of machine-made 4!发动机的进展可以说很快到2015年大规模生产时我们的4代机有望能装上国产发动机!
The progress of the engine can be quickly mass production by 2015 when the 4th generation of our machine-made engine is expected to be installed!
A ? Though question persist & will do so for time to come, i think right NOW most would agree that there is SOME/MORE substance to china’s 5G fighter project than-lets say-before the release of these pics. But my question is not about that substance. Rather what is the chinese motivation?
Any theories?:-)
It could be as simple as a changing and (explosively) wealthier society becoming ever more armed with cellphones and digital cameras that can take pictures and upload them on the internet.
It was far easier to keep things quiet in a poorer society when it wasn’t the world’s largest internet population.
It’s probably impossible to control 400 million internet users.
The release of these pics & their pace is mind boggling-surely they could have kept it under wraps-when compared with other defence projects. So what’s different this time?
Maybe they couldn’t keep it under wraps. Why assume that it could? We saw fuzzy pictures of J-10s from Chengdu in the 1990s and that was way before the explosion of the internet in China. Now, it could simply be the impossibility of keeping every one of hundreds of millions internet users from uploading pictures.
That said, all these pictures (and the J-10 ones before) were released in the Chinese language web world which is for all intent and purposes disconnected from the English speaking one we reside in on AFM. Every picture in this thread depended on a Chinese speaker transferring it from the Chinese world to the English one.
So if there was a purpose behind it, it was a message to the Chinese people first. Maybe it’s a nationalistic thing. But nationalism would be far better served by an official announcement.
Maybe the J-20 is already old news just like the J-10 was and the J-15 after that because more classified projects are proceeding in secrecy in a desert in the Northwest somewhere.
But the simplest explanation is that Chengdu is a major metropolitan area with seven million people in a fast changing society that is wired with broadband with digital cameras and cellphones everywhere. And CAC is smack in the middle of that.
Yes, but their Q-5 line is winding down and L-15 will not be a combat fighter replacement for Q-5 or the lowend .
they ( meaning their tactical fighter R/D capability) can not subsist on L-15.
They are working on UCAVs.
The L15 is the followon to the K-8 (arguably the most success Chinese export) and will have a customer base both domestic and overseas. Nanchang/Hongdu do compete with Guizhou domestically.
The main function of both firms is assembling trainers not UCAVs — which at any rate are years in the future unless you are talking about re-purposed J-5 target drones (Ba-5) produced by Shenyang.
CF-SF-XF-Nanchang-Guiyang.
with the last two holding on to older programs/derivatives. but have their sights on UAVs.
Nanchang is now Hongdu. It was traditionally one of the most innovative Chinese design/manufacturing houses. Usually low funded projects that turned out pretty well.
Their line of products — CJ6, Q-5 and K-8 — actually have a pretty good reputation in relation to funding.
People are going to be embarrassed when both turn out to be movie props. The first picture is clearly a mockup of an F-22 with a solid rear axle. The second picture looks just as much of a prop.
Could well be the case — if China were in the habit of making fighter jet movies using realistic (probably expensive) props. Flying kung fu fighters is the norm not flying aircraft in Chinese cinema though.
But who knows.
This two are different for sure I think. May be the 1st one is an attemp by China co create flying F-22 drones for their air defenses to shoot down 😀
The first picture is fake. It is obviously a F-22 and looks nothing like the other pictures. I have no idea why this new poster decides to post a F-22 in this thread as his first post.
Those trucks are pretty ubiquitous in pictures of Chinese aircraft.
Truck in comparison to a J-10:


Judging from the blue maintenance truck in front of it and the personnel standing behind it, it’s not unduly large. In fact, I would say it is no bigger than a Flanker.

J-10B prototype 1031




Enlarged views of previous pictures side by side:
