GoldenDragonTurkish interest in medium range SAMs. The KS-1A perhaps.
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=39830
AIR FORCES COMMANDER VISITS PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA
Air Forces Commander Gen. Ibrahim Firtina, currently in the People’s Republic of China for an official visit, yesterday met with Chinese Air Force Commander Qiao Qingchen in Beijing to discuss military ties between the two countries. During their meeting, Firtina said that Turkey was interested in China’s medium-range air defense missiles, adding that it was ready to cooperate with the country in the areas of military and space technology. “We should cooperate on several issues, including launching satellites,” added Firtina. For his part, Qingchen said that his country was willing to benefit from Turkey’s military experience. /Aksam/
GoldenDragonHere’s the background to the above Gripen/PLAAF officers picts:
Chinese air force commander leaves for three-nation tour
2005-03-01 04:22:34 XinhuaEnglish
BEIJING, March 1(Xinhuanet)– Qiao Qingchen, commander of the Air Force of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, left here Tuesday afternoon for a three-nation tour.
Qiao, member of the Central Military Commission, is to pay an official good-will visit to the three countries of Sweden, Spain and Brazil as guest of the Sweden military, Chief of Staff of the Spanish Air Force Francisco J. Garcia De La Vega and Commander in Chief of Brazilian Air Force Luiz Carlos Bueno.
GoldenDragonHey lookie here! PLAAF officers around the Gripen!
GoldenDragonLarger and more detailed samples of previously posted pictures of the two-seated Q5J and PLAAF JH-7A (bort number looks to be 21094 though the third digit could possibly be a 3 too.)
GoldenDragonGreat pictures on a rare subject, Kapedani & Anton!
GoldenDragonHere are some new pics of the second Y8 “balance beam”.
[image]http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=74018%5B/ima…]
Note the original Y-8F200 testbed on the fight right. This is important not only as a new AEW system but also a Y-8 variant. Note solid nose cone, six blade propellers and no ramp.
GoldenDragonKunlun II is officially termed a turbojet. Kunlun III is supposed to be the turrbofan version using the same core. There is no news that Kunlun III at the point of being tested.
The Kunlun II is actually mentioned most often as the projected new powerplant for the later J-8II versions.
The engine being developed specifically for the FC-1 is supposedly the WS-13, which might or might not be the reported turbofan from Southern Aero-Engine Company (named as a competitor to the Kunlun series).
GoldenDragon🙂 Crobato and the rest of us at the Chinese forums are trying to find out. We don’t know for sure. But most likely a JH-7 or JH-7A (FBC-1/M.)
GoldenDragonWhere is the source of the rumour?
Go check WMF, there’s a post on it.
GoldenDragonTrumpeter “modeled” the length in 1/72 to 225 mm = 16,20 m
and the wingspan in 1/72 again to 130 mm = 9,36 m !!!I agree with GoldenDragon – thanks a lot for Your analysis – that the kit seems to look quite well done but just in comparison with these dimensions it seems to be larger than expected …. or the dimensions we know so far are plain wrong !
For my opinion I thought the J-10A was much bigger than this Lavi-style 8,78 m/14,57 m !
Hey Deino, the ratio is far more important to a model of an “unofficial” aircraft like the J-10 than the actual length. Until figures are released, the actual length and span are only approximations. Far more important on a model based entirely on spurious pictures is getting the ratios right.
The Trumpeter designers of the model probably decided on something slightly larger than the F-16 (length 15.03m, wingspan 10m) which seems to be a correct assessment, imo.
GoldenDragonHere’s an interesting rumor:
An export version of the JH-7A, the FBC-1W, flew successfully on March 2.
The FBC-1W supposedly includes more than 40 design changes according to requests from a particular South American customer(?!!)
Last October, China and this unnamed country signed a contract for co-production of dozens of aircrar with the total amount surpassing 2 billion US dollars. The country is question could possibly be Argentina.
Again, heavy rumor department.
GoldenDragonJust posted at CDF by Xinhui !
And please give me a comment on the J-10A’s dimension in comparison to the Trumpeter’s kit !!!! PLEASE
Deino
Deino, I actually saw your question earlier and it intrigued me enough to look over my collection of J-10 picts and approximate a wingspan to aircraft length ratio. Length is from nose (excluding probe) to the exhaust.
The ratio of the picture that gives us the best top-down (or bottom-up) perspective is the one attached below. The wing to length ratio is about 1.0 over 1.53 (for every foot of wingspan there are 1.53 feet of length.) But we could not totally account for slight tilts in any of the axes from a two dimensional picture so it is only an estimate.
Most 3 sided drawings and CGs of the J-10 are 1.0/1.60. Just from the most of the photos, I would say this is a pretty fair assessment of the wingspan to length ratio.
I don’t have a Trumpeter kit but your figures gave us a 1.0/1.73 ratio. Not sure if you are also including the nose antenna as part of the length. If not then it is would seem that the wingspan is slightly wider than most estimates.
At any rate, until the J-10 goes official, we are all guessing from pictures. As a modeler, you know that getting ratios by eyeballing is pretty much an inexact science unless we have pictures that are perfectly aligned and centered from the X,Y and Z axes.
GoldenDragonThat J-10 picture brings up a few interesting points:
1. there are fuselage pylons.
2. shows us where the PL-11 and PL-12 picture we earlier came from
3. it looks like it was on display for a dignitary or even buyer
Nice find on the new Y-8 platform. You could clearly in this picture that the loading ramp is no longer there.
GoldenDragonYes, I agree, they have scored no kills. What does it say?
It says that the USAF had priority over the air superiority role. The USAF squadrons (mainly F-15s) were tasked with destroying the Iraqi air force that were able to take off.
Even the two F-18 kills were in the course of a bomb strike (the kills were made without any dumping of ordnance.)
If the Navy and F-14 were given the same role as the F-15s in GWI or II, we’d see the number of F-14 kills. Actually, a F-14 killed a helo but that hardly counts.
The Iranian experience is the best indication of the F-14’s ability. Tom Cooper documented over 100 kills with a half dozen losses. That’s a very good record and hardly surprising considering the F-14’s radar and weapons suite which outranks even the F-15.
GoldenDragonSo I would still like to say that one of the possible reasons to why China haven’t had any fully developed commercial airplanes is that they didn’t needed any. When it comes to military jet fighters – it’s a completely different ball game…
regards,
Castor
True in the 1970s but not true beginning in the 1980s. China has developed the Y-10 as stated earlier. China could have forced its airlines to buy it like Russia forces its own airlines to buy Tupolevs. But this did not happen in the 1980s and the Y-10 was lost.
The “need” was definitely there because China had been one of the key markets for Airbus and Boeing since the 1980s. In fact, every major new development by Airbus or Boeing hinges to an extent on the Chinese market. The latest A380 and 7E7/787 being prime examples. (1)
Need and the market are already there. The trick, though, is for Chinese firms to be able to break into its home market which is currently controlled by Boeing and Airbus (like nearly every other airliner market in the world).
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(1)http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/209778_china28.html
Boeing lands key order for 7E7s from Chinese
By JAMES WALLACE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER
“After months of negotiations, delays and political intrigue, The Boeing Co. will finally get its long-awaited order today from Chinese airlines for 60 787 jetliners.
That’s right: 787s.
Boeing will announce not only its biggest 7E7 order to date, but that it will give the plane the next name in its 7-series of jets, which began with the 707, according to people familiar with the deal.
After a contract is signed, the deal would be worth about $7.2 billion at the jet’s $120 million list price. The six Chinese airlines ordering the 7E7 are likely getting significant discounts.
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer first reported last month that in keeping with tradition, Boeing had decided to rename its new jet the 787 but was holding off on any announcement until it landed the China order.
The number 8 is considered lucky in China.”
http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2005/03/10/cneads10.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2005/03/10/ixfrontcity.html
“EADS soars with jumbo-sized profits
He warned that the break-even cost of Airbus’s new double-decker jumbo, the A380, would rise from 250 to 300 aircraft if the euro remained above $1.30 for long. So far, the company has 154 firm orders, but is counting on booming demand in China.
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