A very interesting review of the China Phalcon affair in Israel.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/122707/1/.html
Israeli arms deals with China raise tensions with US
JERUSALEM : Israeli arms deals with China have provoked tensions between Israel and its top ally the United States, the head of Israel’s parliamentary defence committee acknowledged.
“There are tensions, which are hidden from the public, which have appeared over the last one or two years concerning Israeli weapons sales, particularly to China,” Yuval Steinitz told Israeli radio.
His comments followed a report on Israel’s private Channel Two television Wednesday that the Pentagon was demanding the dismissal of Israeli defence ministry director general Amos Yaron over a particularly controversial deal.
US officials are furious at Israel for taking back a “sensitive weapons system” sold to China in the 1990s for upgrading, the channel said, although it did not identify the weapon.
Washington had permitted Israel to take the system back from China for repair, but had not authorized it to be upgraded, according to the report. (GD’s note: they can’t mean the Phalcon; maybe a ground radar?)
Israel’s ambassador to Washington, Danny Ayalon, denied Thursday that the United States had sought the dismissal of Yaron, saying “no demand of that nature was made”.
“Questions were raised recently, but they are being examined in a good atmosphere,” he said.
Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz also denied the accuracy of the report, while accepting that a dossier on Israeli weapons sales to China was “in the process of clarification”.
The issue has become very sensitive after Israel in July 2000 cancelled a contract to sell to China a Russian Ilyushin-76 plane equipped with its own Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS).
In March 2001, Israel agreed to pay China 350 million dollars to compensate for the cancelled sale.
China had forked out a down payment of 200 million dollars on a first plane, valued at 250 million dollars, and had signed a contract which foresaw the purchase of four similar aircraft.
The United States based its demand on concerns that advanced US defence technology contained in Israeli equipment could be used against China’s foe Taiwan.
“There has been a tightening of checks exercised by the United States on Israeli weapons exports and since the Phalcon matter we are very sensitive to US requirements,” Steinitz said.
“Israel and France are the only countries which compete with the Americans in the advanced military technology sector,” the committee chairman said. (GD’s note: Russia is not on the list as being able to compete.)
“We must take account of US interests but a demand for the dismissal of a person in charge such as Amos Yaron … would be unacceptable.”
A source close to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told AFP that “the whole thing has been a misunderstanding”.
The row risks adding to an atmosphere of suspicion that has gripped relations with the Pentagon in recent months.
Sharon was forced in September to insist that Israel was not spying on the United States following allegations that a Pentagon official leaked intelligence to a pro-Israel lobby.
US officials alleged that Pentagon aide Larry Franklin passed secrets to Israel using the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as the conduit.
Franklin is an Iran specialist in the office of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, the third most senior civilian official at the Pentagon.
Israel pledged not to spy on Washington after the hugely embarrassing arrest of Jonathan Pollard, an intelligence analyst for the US navy, who passed on thousands of secret documents.
Pollard was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987.
US intelligence agencies said in 1992 that Israel had carried out non-authorised transfers of US technologies to China, particularly regarding the Patriot anti-missile system.
These accusations were denied by Israel.
– AFP
In a Chinese forum, according to a mainland mag “The National Military”:
A Chief Li said he observed and train on a new fighter plane. A reporter also saw the new fighter plane in performance. Chief Li said: “This domestically produced fighter aircraft defeated the Su-27 many times. It’s performance is absolutely world first-class.”
The construction cost of the plane is very expensive.
The unnamed plane is assumed to be the J-10.
This was captioned as a Chinese-built J-11 at a southern airport.
Looks like the WS-10A won’t be ready in time, much like the Kaveri.
Not in time for the J-10 but you’ll see the WS-10A in another plane way before then.
We already have actually. The WS-10A is developed for the J-11B first. You’ll see it in a single engine plane like the J-10 after a few years being wrung out in the J-11. The fuel and control mountings on the J-11 and J-10 are actually very different so the J-10’s new engine would have to be a different version.
The Jaguar and F-2 use the same engine so of course they’ll look alike. But both planes have the rear section copied nearly identically from the F-4.
The downward canted tailpanes and the recessed engines with the divider angling out was unique to the F-4 at the time (circa 1958.) The F-4 was the first so it should be credited, not the Jaguar though there is little doubt that the Jaguar was studied by the Japanese.
China doesn’t have any A-50. Don’t confuse the Il-76 airframe with AEW system.
051C is not an “old” model. It’s the mythical cruiser that Chinese and western publicatiosn have been hinting at since the mid-1990s.
Dalian is building two 051C.
BIG! BIG! BIG NEWS! If true.
But let’s wait and see 😀
The photo is way too vague to declare those vessels are even warships.
051C sightings are like UFO sightings.
What is that 1st pic……
A guess: maybe a pressurized gun built into the floor at the water lab; for testing underwater projectiles?
Here’s two pictures from a Chinese language post. The one on the bottom is screen capture on a CCTV program concerning China’s windtunnel program.
The unknown model at the top is supposed to be from the same program but looks like no Chinese project I’ve seen before. It actually looks like a C-17 Globemaster.
Deino would find these things interesting 🙂
A very nice list, flex. I wish I was that organized.
Watch for the alien autopsy special on Chinese cable.
A followup on the UFO story! Even more mystery!
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11685530%255E13762,00.html
UFO ‘explodes over Chinese city’
From correspondents in Beijing
December 14, 2004AN unidentified flying object, or UFO, passed across the large northwestern Chinese city of Lanzhou and apparently exploded in the suburbs, state media said.
The unusual sighting of two bright trails of light, reported by several witnesses, took place Saturday shortly before midnight, the China Times reported.
Police, working on the theory that it was a meteorite, went to investigate the matter, but they had found no evidence of what caused the nightly phenomenon, an officer told AFP by telephone.
A taxi driver told the paper he was in his car when everything suddenly became “as bright as day.”
When he pulled over, he saw a fireball with a tail of about three metres darting across the sky, he said.
One witness who was on the late shift at his company reported the courtyard outside his office was suddenly bathed in a ghostly red light as the object passed overhead, the paper said.
Others said they heard a huge explosion and felt as if an earthquake had struck.
China has been hit by several waves of UFO sighting in recent years, and the country has a research association devoted to the study of possible extraterrestrial visits.
Agence France-Presse
Maybe a mishap with an US Aurora or a Chinese Area 51 vehicle?
Or perhaps an accident involving real space aliens?
Commie newspapers don’t really have a sense of humor so this event most certainly happened. Let’s hope it was just a meteor or some black project aircraft and not a space invasion 😀
Nothing could be more concrete than sales of 81 planes by Airbus to around 20 by Boeing. Not to mention Gallileo and the Double Star project.
These things have already happened even under intense US pressure. What happens when France and Germany gets the upper hand in the EU as more and more Chinese orders flows to them instead of the UK, Sweden, Holland, etc.? There are already talk of UK and Swedish firms using German or French subsidies in China to avoid trouble.
Beyond internal European division, in China, the future points towards a population looking to Europe for its technical standards. Whether it is airliners, satellites, GPS, bullet trains or helos, it’s Europe not the US that the next generation of China’s technocrats will look towards.
The only dominant position I see for the US in China will be fast food. Nothing European can touch KFC and McDonald’s I’ll admit.
“Aircraft” includes helicopters …
Japanese Kawasaki OH-1 “Ninja”. Not sure it’s little known, sure it’s little produced …
Quite correct. The OH-1 is actually a good looking helo.
So is an earlier Japanese helo, which like the Indonesian CN-235, has mixed parentage.
The BK117 was joint project between Germany’s MBB and Kawasaki.