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  • in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636133
    GoldenDragon
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    If you read history a bit, you could have learned that the KT-1 is no way a separate development project rather than a politically acceptable way how to spread Pilatus PC-9 aircraft on Asian market.

    Well then let’s read the literature on the KT-1.

    From http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRTypen/FRKT-1.htm
    “Development of South KoreaΒ΄s first indigenously designed aircraft, under the KTX designation, began in February 1988 as a cooperation between Daewoo and ADD (Agency for Defence Development). Design was 100 per cent by CATIA, with digital mock-ups.
    Nine prototypes were built from June 1991, with four of them used for static and fatigue testing.”

    “The KT-1 was developed to replace Cessna T-37 and T-41 trainers in RoKAF service. It covers both screening and primary pilot training. The design closely resembles other turboprop trainers like the PC-9, with even the same engine.”

    Closely resembles doesn’t mean it is the same.

    I would not call the KT-1 a non-license copy of PC-9 because all happened with silent approval of the Swiss company. But it is a copy of PC-9 with slight mods which are really little to write home about, ergo hardly a breakthrough of Korean Aerospace industry.

    Now, Flug Revue doesn’t call it a copy. Claiming Pilatus’ silence as proof is hardly proof at all. I’ve little doubt that the PC-9 and other turboprop trainers were studies in the development of the plane.

    But whether it is a copy or not doesn’t change the fact that it is a breakthrough for a new Korean aircraft industry.

    in reply to: China's news, pics and speculation part IV #2636155
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    The civilian contracts are spilling over to the military. Along the way, Boeing is going to lose its number one position in China as well as permanently losing that position worldwide.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/14/content_400114.htm

    Sino-European aviation co-op leaps up to new stage
    (Xinhua)
    Updated: 2004-12-14 17:31

    Aviation cooperation between China and Europe stepped on a new stage in 2004 with the Europe-based Airbus having sold a record number of planes to China and China invited to share Airbus’ new aircraft program for the first time.

    Airbus’s China company announced here recently that China has just signed contracts with Airbus for the purchase of 23 Airbus A320 family aircraft worthy of 1.2 billion US dollars, marking a successful year for the cooperation between Airbus and its Chinese partners.

    The year 2004 also witnessed a breakthrough of Sino-European aviation cooperation, as Chinese companies will take five percent of the work on Airbus’s A350 program, said Gustav Humbert, Airbus Chief Operating Officer and Executive Vice President Programs in China recently.

    According to Humbert, the five-percent share is only a short- term goal for Airbus’ China strategy, and in the future, China will be allowed to take ten percent share in new Airbus programs.

    In 2004, Chinese aviation companies ordered a total of 58 aircraft from Airbus, increasing its total order from Airbus to 81. In the future, Airbus hopes to share half of China’s commercial aircraft market, said sources with the European giant airplane- maker.

    Airbus is planning to increase its subcontracts in China, according to its China strategy. Beginning from 2007, Airbus will increase its annual subcontract volume in China from the current 30 million dollars to 60 million dollars, and the figure will jump to 120 million dollars in 2010.

    Airbus also plans to establish a program design center in China under its future strategy. Starting from 2008, about 200 Chinese engineers will have access to participating in aircraft-design work for Airbus, which will help China become an all-round partner of Airbus in the future.

    When Airbus accelerates its pace to expand market in China, the owners of Airbus Industrie, the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS) also made great progress in its China business.

    EADS announced here recently that it had just signed an agreement with its Chinese counterpart in order to provide a solution for the 2008 Beijing Olympics safety system. It also planned to build a center to demonstrate its safeguarding system in case of big events in Beijing.

    Sources said last year EADS invested 30 million US dollars for five percent share of Avichina, a branch company of the China Aviation Industrial Corporation (AVIC), to jointly develop, produce and export new aviation products, making itself the first overseas investor for China’s aviation industry.

    Currently, EADS is focusing on cooperation with China in the field of helicopter. Last month, the AVIC signed an agreement with Eurocopter, an EADS firm, to co-produce a new helicopter, which will be in operation in 2010. The Eurocopter also plans to set up a production line for EC 120 helicopter in Harbin, capital city of northeast China’s Heilongjiang Province.

    As world’s leading aeronautic and defense company, EADS’ business included commercial aircraft, helicopter and missile. In 2003, it pocketed 1.61 billion euros from the China market, with its contracted orders from China hitting 3.5 billion euros.

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636676
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    a joint aircraft between KAI (Korean Aerospace Industries) and Bell, the SB 427
    http://yukibigstone.hp.infoseek.co.jp/seoul01/st/19042s.jpg

    I am not sure but I heard China ordered some of these

    Quite possibly ordered by one of the private firms or municipalities. There is huge need for helicopters in China for local civil agencies but most of the helo projects (and there’s a large number of them) at Changhe and Harbin are for the military.

    So there’s a window of time for foreign helos until the HC-120 and the new 6-ton passenger helo projects are revved up. The HC-120 is considered a civil project in the long-term but even that project will send the first 50-150 aircraft ordered to the PLA.

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636697
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    There are currently around 7 Asian Fighters, the JH-7A(yes, it’s to be fitted with the same radar as that of J-10 I think), FC-1, J-10, LCA(in development), Ching Quo, F/A-50(in development) and F-2.

    Actually there are more than 7 fighters projects in China alone: FC-1, J-10, J-10B, J-11B(indigenization project), J-8IID, J-8IIF/H, J-7G, JH-7A and, if the reports from recent Zhuhai airshow are true, the J-7MF and LFC-16 are also viable projects as well. There are also two high performance (Mach 1.5+) trainers in development, the FTC-2000 and L-15 which has an eye towards the attack role.

    The F-2 is canceling after the 100th aircraft because of cost and reliabilty/performance issues.

    North Korea has a large spare parts industry for its MiGs but assembles no planes in entirety.

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636749
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    hey what about the new IJT tranier built by india

    Of course, the IJT could be here. I had begun by listing the ACs from countries rarely discussed in the forum.

    The thread could be expanded to little known craft from China and India.

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636752
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    1. The Martin P5M Marlin made its maiden flight on 30 May 1948 so that makes it postwar era.

    2. The Grumman SA-16 Albatross made its first flight on 24 October 1947 – so it also is postwar era.

    So they were both “new-built flying boats in the postwar era to fly in frontline service among Western allies”

    Aha! I didn’t say post – which war. I could have meant post-Korean War πŸ˜€

    But I’ll adhere to the conventional meaning of “postwar” and say you got me, by two and three years respectively. Perhaps, I should have said the “modern era” instead of “postwar.”

    Finally, when has Japan been in the west ??? πŸ˜€

    Nice thread though………..
    Ken

    When in the last 50 years was Japan not one of the “Western allies“?

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636760
    GoldenDragon
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    In Asia,
    China, India, Japan, Taiwan, Korean and who else?

    Very interesting to see more.

    Well, the PAC Mushak and Super Mushak puts Pakistan on the list. That’s aside from the K-8 and FC-1 joint projects that rather well-known.

    Iran is another Asian nation with an aircraft industry. It’s fledgeling industry has been discussed a bit here. The Tazarv trainer has been featured less than the fighters like say the Saeghe but this is a known product that is flying and in use.

    Egypt actually has a long-time industry and the HA-300, designed by Messerschmitt, was started in the early 1960s. Its currently assembling the K-8E.

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636796
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    The Shin Meiwa (this is the name of the company) PS/SS/US series of flying boats were actually the only new-built flying boats in the postwar era to fly in frontline service among Western allies.

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636803
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    This following plane is rather well-known – the Airtech CN-235 has been exported to air forces and civilian airlines in over two dozen countries. But what is less known is that it was a 50-50 partnership between CASA of Spain and IPTN of Indonesia. So it qualifies as a Asian plane – at least from the mother’s side πŸ˜€

    in reply to: Little known Asian Aircraft! #2636809
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    4) Fuji T-1: a basic trainer developed in the 1960s.

    5) Mitsubishi T-2: advance trainer developed in the 1960s; formed the basic for the F-1 fighter/attack craft

    6) Fuji T-3/T-5: primary trainer developed from the Beech T-34.

    7) Kawasaki T-4: intermediate jet trainer, developed in the 1980s.

    8) Kawasaki C-1: medium transport; developed in the 1960s. Asia’s first and still only indigenously designed jet transport,

    in reply to: F-18 E/f #2636845
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    Nuts, this thread has been dormant for over a year old before being revived.

    in reply to: China's news, pics and speculation part IV #2636854
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    A Sino Area 51. Gansu is a desert much like Nevada. Lanzhou is the HQ of one of China’s military regions.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/13/content_2329242.htm

    UFO reported seen in Gansu
    http://www.chinaview.cn 2004-12-13 17:51:46

    LANZHOU, Dec. 13 (Xinhuanet) — Hundreds of people in northwest China’s Gansu Province witnessed an unidentified flying object (UFO) Saturday night, and local police are searching for what may have dropped in the area.

    Witnesses in Gansu’s capital Lanzhou said that a strange shining object swept through the sky at about 11:36 p.m. Saturday,following by earthshaking sounds like bombing. They also reported that an ensuing tremble was felt within 100 sq km from Lanzhou.

    One of them, a driver surnamed Zhang, said that he saw a shining ball with a three-meter-long trail flying from west to east and heard two thunders right after, when he was driving from Lanzhou city to neighboring Yongdeng county.

    The local public security department confirmed that they have received more than 700 reports on the case, some saying it was an earthquake, and others saying it was an aerolite falling. The department has sent policemen to search for possible fallen objects but found nothing so far.

    Liu Yanan, astronomy professor at the Northwest Normal University, said that it might be a meteoroid entering the earth’s atmosphere. Enditem

    in reply to: Question on Canard Flankers and vortexes #2636954
    GoldenDragon
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    The canards on the Flanker variants by virtue of their position are ancillary lift/control surfaces rather than being major ones on craft such as the Gripen, Rafale, J-10 or EF.

    Conventional wisdom places the canards above and in front of the main lift areas to lessen effects on airflow over the main surface during level flight as well as take advantage of the canards’ benefits for AoA and stall.

    The further the canards are in front, the greater the benefits to AoA and stall/landing/takeoff performance. The EF has its canards near the the nose (with a penalty on the pilot’s view) to take full advantage of the canards.

    OTOH, the Flanker’s are fixed to the LERX and are situated right in front as well as on the same plane as the main lift surface. The corresponding benefits of canards for AoA and stall are much lower in the plane.

    My guess is that they’re there to provide changes in airflow over the wings as well as some minor help in takeoff and landing (which would be the case in a wider LERX.) In a TVC Flanker, they probably play a role in balancing off the various settings of the engine nozzle.

    At any rate, the Flanker’s canards are used a tad differently than those of others (of course, most of the others are canard-deltas.)

    in reply to: China's news, pics and speculation part IV #2636960
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    He must have been from Quebec then because there’s no way English was his first language πŸ˜€

    Mais oui!

    in reply to: China's news, pics and speculation part IV #2636974
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    First bilateral exercises ever between China and the Russkies (there were exercises under the auspices of the Shanghai Cooperative and those include third parties also.)

    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=7074034

    China, Russia to Hold Military Exercise in 2005
    Mon Dec 13, 2004 08:10 AM ET

    By John Ruwitch

    BEIJING (Reuters) – China and Russia will hold their first joint military exercises on Chinese territory next year, the Interfax news agency quoted Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov as saying in Beijing on Monday.

    Ivanov met Chinese Communist Party chief Hu Jintao, Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan Cao and Central Military Commission Vice-Chairman Guo Buoxiong to discuss cooperation between China, a fast-rising military power, and its main arms and weapons-technology supplier.

    “We have agreed that for the first time ever we will be holding substantial military exercises on Chinese territory in 2005,” Interfax quoted Ivanov as saying after talks with Cao.

    Ivanov’s visit to Beijing, his second this year, comes a week after a summit of the European Union and China during which a 15-year-old EU arms embargo took the spotlight.

    continue . . .

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