As you know also Yak-130 is an advanced jet trainer/light attack aircraft! Who knows lets wait and see the details of the project.

But If Turkey won’t get typhoons and not keen on the KF-X project if it doesn’t get equal partnership then which bird will be the Turkish airforce’s front line fighter after 2020 with high quantities? Its sensible an indigenous one 😎

What does the Yak-130 has to do with that requirement for a new fighter to replace the F-4E ??

… and YES, it will (!!) then be an indigenoius project. But does Turkey has the capabilities to do that ?? I highly doubt that, when other countries with a much longer history in developing aircraft can’t do that on their own …

Deino

Deino
Calm down, dude. Do you really don’t know the history of the development of the J-10?

But You surely do !??? Honestly I think I can really say I know more than You esp. since You only wanna believe some Russian claims.

I never denied that CAC had never ever any Isreali input in that project nor do I deny that Russians technicans were involved in the AL-31-integration … but that doesn’t make the J-10 a Lavi-clone – what in my opinion would be a 1 for 1 copy – nor a Russian bird.

But if You still want to believe only what Russian “soiurces” write, then You are correct … the J-10 = Lavi, the J-8 = Su-21 (that alone is nonsense pure :p!).

Never mind, Deino

2010-12-14

The vapourware WZ-10.
I’ll allow the local experts to decode the serial number matrix.

May I ask Why You still – or allways – call the WZ-10 a “vapourware” ??? :confused:

Regarding the numbers it confirms to be the LH951xx PLA 5th Army Aviation Regiment (1st GA) based at Nanjing now flying with at least 8 helicopters.

As for the numbers LH9…. = usual PLA numbers
5 = 5th Army Aviation Regiment
xx = individual aircraft number … and with no. 04, 05, 06 and 08 confirmed !

Besides that it seems now to be confirmed that the PLA-NAF received its first J-10s most likely under the designation AH and ASH or H and SH.

Following the 83x4x-number it is the PLANAF’s 4th Division 12th Regiment based at Luqiao … quite interesting the same division that flies the Su-30MK2.
As such this is the 1st J-10 regiment for the PLANAF and the 7th overall and in mind of the numerous yellow birs currently standing at CAC yet another PLAAF regiment might be in preparation for the conversion process to begin maybe even this year.

Deino

Wonder what happened with Crobato too.

That’s really mysterious … even at SDF no postings from him since some time.

Deino :confused:

WS-10 is a copy of AL-31F.
Bad copy of course.
Comparison of the resorts:
AL-31F – 1000h
izd. 117/117S – 4000h
WS-10/WS-10A – ~100-300h

This means that they have not been able to copy the more advanced AL-31F.

You really don’t want to believe what anyone can clearly see !???

And why should the AL-31 be more advanv´ces ? .. only by Your ownb believe or simply as it’s a Chinese powerplant.

IMO let’s waitr and see especially until we got more on the specifications. Everything else is one the one (it is the best modern powerplant on erath) = bull**** in the same way as Your statement (it’s from China,it is and the it is not an AL-31-copy) is stupid too.

But as I said some still want to hold on their believes.

Deino:mad:

Between, anybody knows where crobato went? (Deino, do you know)

No .. actually I’m a bit worried, since also at the Sinodefence-Forum I think it’s months ago. 🙁

Deino :confused:

Its actually quite funny and IMO until we see the first leaked piucture of that bid the posts here will go on forth an back the same way as ever.

The one side – over-optimistic, enthusiastic and maybe a bit unrealistic – take every rumour, hint or CG as something to enjoy until it flies and overinterprets a lot too much … and the other side – over-pessimistic and sarcastic – seems even to deny the recent successes and still hopes that nothing will fly within the next years (maybe politically motivated ??)

IMO … we should simply sit and wait … take all the CG’s what they are at the moment = Fan art … but we shouldn’t underestimate them at CAC.

So long, Deino :diablo: