It is not that easy. The Chinese had a design, but no suitiable engine for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
denied the Chinese an American option for that.
The single option left was the AL-31FN, which forced a redesign related to that. Here the Russians took over as they did with the J-17, when they transformed the former Super 7.
The Chinese gave the money, decided what they want to have from that and they built it mainly. Such in mind it is a Chinese design in general, whoever gave a helping hand and was be payed for that too. 😎

And here begins the interesting – and IMO still most secret – part of that story !!

We all know that once an American engine – the F404 – was planned to powerr the Super-7 …. and if the Chinese had fine relations with the US at that time , isn’t it too far to think, that also a US powerplant was planned (besides the still reported WS-6, WP-15 or whatever chinese engines) at least as a fall-back option, if their own powerplant would fail (which was not too unlikely !) … and were the US in the mood to do that ????

IMO there much too much discussion on the Isreali or Russion connection to the J-10 … and strangely no-one thinks about a possible US one.

… or maybe that was too much red-wine (actually a very fine Merlot !:o to admit) this evening.

Hicks … Deino :diablo:

….As for the J 10. They can deny it all they want and since the Israelis and Chinese are embarrassed about it they are unlikely to officially confirm it. However I will give you an interesting read thats several years old.

I agree with You, that article in Combat Aircraft is a very good one … it was a very good one in mind of its publishing date !

It was maybe the first “attempt” to redraw the J-10’s development history, but since it was written and published before the J-10 was officilaly unveiled, it has some severe mistakes (not only the completly overestimated dimensions !!)

If You like to read something more up-to date (even also not complete to admit !) try IAPR issue 22 with the Chengdu J-10 as a Focus Aircraft, it includes a “comparison” of the semi-official Chinese version vs. the Russian version and also the in most cases (esp. JANES’s) Western estimations on that topic and (tries) to find a realistic description !

https://airti2.sslcert19.com/airPower.php

Like “over G” said … the Russian comments has to be taken with a very big grain of salt. There were for sure Russian technicans and engineers, who assisted the integration of the AL-31FN, but from this to think they had an inseight in any possible Israeli connction is pure nonsense, esp in mind to other Russian publications on that topic that are even more idiotic (see the tread about “China Humbly Launches Serial Production of Stolen Russian Fighter Jets”
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=95878).

On the other side, no-one could expect an really open Chinese versions of the circumstances and also no-one deny the Israeli influence in the design … but calling the J-10 a son of the Lavi is nonsense pure !

For China, the J-10 is a huge aeronautic break-thru (finally after several failures), which must be praised without any compromise …. and for Russia it must be down-played, since it is a huge brak-thru.

Deino

Non is surprised by that, when it is suspected that the core-engine of the CFM-56 is used as core for the WS10 too. At least they got a working engine after three decades. If it does work satisfactory has to be shown. More important than raw technical data are the working behavior of an engine.

Agreed … and here I’m still very much sceptical, since the latest reports – besides the ones stating, that production is running at full swing – state, that all WS-10A in the J-11B fighters were again replaced by AL-31F because of reliability issues … at least for the moment.

Deino

Dude, we are talking abt a high ranking deputy PLAAF commander and not some tom dick harry news reporter or engineer who just say it for the sake of not being left behind. If his words failed to materialise. His head will roll. That is Chinese style. If u say it and failed to carry out on time. U must bear all responsible.

Just like what matt mention, it is only he is confident and the fact, he consulted the trustworthy engineer and witness some of the progress before he make this kind of comment.

China is so far the country taken shortest time to ahieve H-bomb from first nuclear bomb. For example A take how much time to complete a project, does not mean B will equally need same amount of time to complete that particular project.

I completely agree with that statement, even if I’m still more than surprised by that move of “new openess” ! I would have expected a Roll-out not earlier than 2012 …

Anyway … IMO a very good hint that some real progress has been made is the fact of the J-10B-unveiling !

China so far never published anything before a the next succeeding project is already on the run …

Just an idea.

Deino

Su-27SM,Su-33,and Su-27M,Su-35BM is located in right…

O.k … to be 100% correct …. the Su-27SM, the Su-33 (= Su-27K), Su-27M (= Su-35 (1.designation) or Su-37) and the Su-27BM (= Su-35 (not Su-35BM)) all have the IFR-probe !

So let me try it again:

All early Su-27-versions have it located in the middle !!! Only the[COLOR=”red”] updated Flankers equipped with the IFR-probe have it replaced.

Better ???

Deino 😉

Can anyone identfy the countries ??

Deino

An-70

Chinese propose 200tons military transport plane

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U all be the judgement. Looks like a more refinement of An-70. The Chinese one seems like having a more bigger fuselage due to the bigger 200tons requirement.

I would be very careful with all these judgements, to see the new Y-X or Y-20 as sometimes called “only” as an enlarged, turbofan-powered An-70-development.

As far as I remember correctly, we know this picture some long time and at first it appeared with some severe grammar-issues. All deemed it more or less an “interesting” Fan-art or what if, but suely not a realstic official artwork.

Now in this news-report exactly this CG is used and all guys cry “YES it is” … the same artist is also known for several other more or less crude and not very realistic CGs of a H-6-look-alike Bomber, a J-8II-look-alike fighter and a J-10B … all not very real !!

On the other side there are several reports, which expect the new 200t-transport more alike an Il-76-based or at least technologically based design.

Therefore … I will just sit and wait for this – IMO biggest surprise of the year – that could only be topped by the PAK-FA’s roll-out. :diablo:

Deino

Congratulation. 🙂
At GE from 27. Nov 2007 nothing is to see at that place. Not even some earth-work.
30°25’27.87” N and 114°15’43.56” E

At digitalglobe from August 2009, it does look, that mock-up is next to a building and not at the top of one.

Here I’m still not sure, esp. since the closer pictures show it different. But what’s new … it is not only a part of the deck. 😮