Hey guys … latest news from Mel is that issue 26 will go to print in Singapore in 4 weeks and therefore the gap between issue 25 and 26 will be much closer than before. Hopefully they can then get back to the normal 3-months between two issues.
Cheers, Deino
PS: Besides that – critics are always welcome !
Excellent picture… Looks like extensive modification under fuselage as well as wings ?
As far as I know, NO … these modifications are the “normal” main-gear-fairings, every Il-76/78 or A-50 has … and regarding these strange “rounded” ears on the wing-tips, the Chinese KJ-2000 have them too.
IMO the biggest change is the new engine.
Deino
Thanks !! … hope mine will arrive (in Germany) as soon as possible.
Deino
Any info on the planned content for issue 26 ??
Deino
Yeah since the Chinese have been watching the Fifth Gen fighters for a while, They will probably come up with two different models in 6 years :rolleyes:.
PAK FA is to fly this year do you know when the Chinese J-xx are scheduled for first flight ? :confused:
Even as an CHinese-aviation enthusiast (or maniac !:D) I would say not earlier than 2011 or 2012 (with service entry not earlier than 2015+++), especially if the latest news are correct that the XXJ will finally CAC be build around CAC’s design in cooperation with SAC.
The second design You mentioned could be the rumoured shipborne fighter from SAC.
Deino
Thanks … !
I.A.P.R. vol 25 on doorsteps today in U.K.
YES, YES … and what’s the content ???
cheers, Deino
O.k. … please, where did I say that I’m a reliable source !???
… and as Sukhoi wants or better to say need some money or have to keep the hopes high on this project even if this projects is late by any standard and all previous programmes since the fall of the SU have been late, later and latest, since years … and reagrding IAF/MoD/DRDO: They are so desperate in need of this type as their own LCA is still in troubles, the MCA … I’ve nearly lost all hopes to see this anytime … !!
All I say and said so many times before is that I don’t expect a super-duper-hyper-mega fighter in a class of its own, which will bring performances, stealth, armament ans what ever some of these fan-boys dream of at a price much lower than the competing US projects, in less development and testing time than these rivals … I agree with You here that it will be a fine fighter as all previous fighters from Sukhoi, but it will have its pros and cons … like any other type.
Just take a look how many promises the Russian aerospace industry held during the last decade ??? … and You thing this would all change now only with the T-50 ??
I said nothing more ….
So dream on ….
Deino 😉
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Mr Pogosyan and Airforce general Zelin are talking about the first prototype will fly in 2009.Mr Pogosyan says the first flight of the aircraft will be as early as 2009 and also Mr.Zelin says it is going to make the first flight in august 2009 and three prototypes are being tested.But at this article it seems like the the work on the prototypes has just begin!The metal cut work for the prototypes has begun in 2007.I think this article is ridiculous!
No … just the same as some fan-bays want to hear !!
It was clearly stated by “RSM55” that these “THREE” types are not three prototypes of the T-50 but three different projects, which are currently under development …
Otherwise – even if some points are questionable … – it proposes IMO a reasonable timeline, some interesting conclusions and the (I know the fan-bays don’t want to haer it !) final statement that “the only real fifth-generation fighter airplane in service in the world is the F-22A”-
Otherwise I like to ask why this “source” should be less reliable than anything else in a much to bright perspective which is posted here.
Deino
Here’s an interesting link …
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000%5C000%5C015%5C983btttm.asp
Kiev
For more than a decade the world has been waiting for Russia’s aerospace industry to produce a fifth-generation fighter aircraft — a replacement for the more than 25-year-old designs of the Mikoyan MiG-29 and Sukhoi Su-27/Su-30 models and an analogue to the Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptor and F-35 Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). Organised as a cooperative program involving almost the entirety of the Russian military aircraft industry, the project is known as the PAK-FA (Perspektivnnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks – Frontovoi Aviatsyi, or Future Air System for Tactical Air Forces).The design bureau designation for the prototype is T-50, with this airplane in the beginning stages of assembly at the Komsommolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KNAAPO) plant in the Russian Far East region of Kharabovsk. “Metal is being cut at the KNAAPO plant” and the plan is now for the aircraft to fly in 2009 — or 2010 at the latest — said a source knowledgeable of the program.
The emergence of a Russian fifth-generation fighter airplane should be music to the ears of the U.S. Air Force (USAF), which has long sought to use the specter of such a program to justify increased procurement of the F-22A and funding for the F-35. But, no one on the Air Staff in the Pentagon should be putting champagne on ice just yet. Ironically, the PAK-FA seems to be taking the same labourious route from first flight to actual deployment that started with the selection of the YF-22 prototype in the early
1990s.“During the flight evaluations of the YF-22 and the [Northrop-McDonnell-Douglas] YF-23 the Lockheed design was picked as the ‘winner,’ but this was despite the fact that the prototype airplane did not demonstrate stealth, did not have a working radar or avionics suite for testing, and did not supercruise. So, all that was really evaluated and ‘won’ the fly-off was an aerodynamic paint job,” said US aviation and stealth technology analyst Jim Stevenson. Stevenson has authored numerous articles on the F-22A and has written extensive histories of both the F-18 and ill-fated A-12 program.
“The USAF essentially picked a winner and then said ‘now that you have officially won go and develop the airplane,’ which took another 14 and half years between this fly-off of virtually empty prototypes and the official acceptance of the F-22A into service at the end of 2005,” said Stevenson.
The PAK-FA seems destined to meet a similar fate. The prototype will fly sometime within the next 12 to 18 months, but — like the F-22A — it seems that these demonstration flights will meet almost none of the Russian Air Force’s (VVS) operational requirements.
Russian industry representatives close to the program tell THE WEEKLY STANDARD that “the radar to be flown in the aircraft from NIIP design bureau will be a variant of the same Irbis-E passive electronically scanning array (PESA) radar technology that is in the Sukhoi Su-35 Super Flanker and not the next-generation active array (AESA) that program requirements call for. The engine will be the Saturn/Lyulka 117S modernised derivative of the Su-27’s AL-31F-Series 3 engine and not the next-generation AL-41F1 design. There will also be few new-age on-board systems in the avionics suite.”
As early as mid-2007, Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosian and other senior Russian industry officials were downplaying expectations when they hinted that these on-board systems might not be ready when the first prototype aircraft flies and would only come on line later. When asked about the engine development at the Le Bourget air show outside of Paris in June 2007, Pogosian responded “that since the serial production covers a period of 30 years and 30 more years for operation, the engine and other systems will change considerably in the course of serial production. That is normal.”
According to the division of labour that has been agreed to for the PAK-FA, the KNAAPO plant will be the lead final production assembly point. The Chkalov NAPO plant in Novosibirsk will supply the nose section and other carbon composite sections for the aircraft. But, officials in Novosibirsk have previously told THE WEEKLY STANDARD “there are no plans to place a large share of the [PAK-FA] production at NAPO, largely due to the nature of the local workforce here in Siberia. Because there are no so many commercial trading companies now here in Novosibirsk it is too difficult to retain enough skilled engineering talent with this kind of competition from the private sector.”
But, labour problems are only one facet of the difficulties that Russian defense industry now faces. Among them is a government out of touch with industry’s problems, lack of investment, and technological bottlenecks — and literally demanding that
they “make ropes from sand,” as the old fable says.An example came during a recent telemost broadcast on Russian state television in which Russian PM Vladimir Putin answered phone-in questions he was asked about the PAK-FA program and stated “we are developing such airplanes and the work is going according to plan. I am certain that they will appear in the Russian Armed Forces and I would like that they appear on time.”
Demanding that the PAK-FA appears “on time” shows that Putin and Co. have not spent enough time reading their briefing book on “why the Soviet Union failed as a nation-state.” Rule number one from that briefing is that simply decreeing a desired outcome does not make it so. Even though Deputy Prime Minister and Chairman of the Board of Russia’s Unified Aircraft-Building Corporation (OAK), Sergei Ivanov, stated in May 2007 that Pogosian had “confirmed that the first plane will make its maiden flight in late 2008,” these technological obstacles have made it so that the first flight will now be at least a year late.
“The most likely near-term future for the PAK-FA is that there will be prototype demonstrators that make a number of flights — just like the Mikoyan MFI 1.44 and Sukhoi S-37/Su-47 models — and then the program may slow down or come to a halt altogether while industry tries to finish developing these on-board systems,” said one analyst in Moscow familiar with the program.
The consensus of the industry representatives who spoke to THE WEEKLY STANDARD is that overcoming these technology bottlenecks depends significantly on whether or not any foreign partners come on board to cooperate — and bring some much-needed funding with them. Development of the avionics and radar components will require a significant investment in Russia’s electronics industry sector, which has been neglected for years. Russia, now in the middle of the worst economic crisis to hit the nation since the hyperinflation of the 1990s, simply lacks the resources required to bring its largely dilapidated defense industrial base into the 21st century. The most optimistic estimate for the program is that production-series PAK-FA airplanes will not be flying in VVS service before 2016 and that export customers would receive their aircraft much later.
One of the nations that Russia had been hoping would become a program partner was Brazil. Concerned about the acquisition of so much advanced Russian weaponry by Compañero President Hugo Chavez in neighbouring Venezuela, Brazil — South America’s largest nation — decided to embark on a major modernization of its long-outdated air force. Russia had hoped to convince Brazil to join the PAK-FA program, but last year’s state visit by President Dmitri Medvedev did not convince the government of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva to sign onto the project.
Russian officials had proposed that the Força Aérea Brasileira (Brazilian Air Force or FAB) sign on to an initial procurement of the Sukhoi Su-35 Super Flanker and then follow on with a role in the PAK-FA, but the FAB Commander, Juniti Saito, stated that: “I do not want to blacken the image of Sukhoi, but the project did not fit into our necessities.” Translation: Brazil is not in the position to finance the development of a Russian fighter that is not in production yet nor will it be soon — it needs something it can buy off the shelf now.
The FAB, which earlier dropped the Su-35 from its FX-2 competition, stated that it had excluded Sukhoi fighters from the program because of compromises that would have to be made on terms of technology transfer. This is almost a complete turnaround from several years ago, when the Su-35 made it into the last round of the FX-2 competition before the program was put into abeyance. In these intervening years, Russia has started to lose the technological edge that made it so attractive to its export customers, and in today’s environment they are not likely to have the financial means to address that deficiency.
A representative from one of the PAK-FA’s major partners told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that “the situation is very simple. Right now the only real fifth-generation fighter airplane in service in the world is the F-22A. This state of affairs is not likely to change anytime soon.”
Reuben F. Johnson is a regular contributor to THE WEEKLY STANDARD Online
Deino
So are they funding both the programs i.e PAK-FA and single engine MFI ?
With that intake-configuration it doesn’t look like a single engined fighter !
Deino :confused:
So are they funding both the programs i.e PAK-FA and single engine MFI ?
With that intake-configuration it doesn’t look like a single engined fighter !
Deino :confused:
As far as i can understand the source is from MiG, the picture itsel fhas been posted on the paralay’s forum 🙂
Hmmm … ??? …. strange that MiG unveils a glimpse of its own concept, when all say MiG’s project even for a smaller fighter (JSFsky) are long dead.
Can You give me the link to that forum please ?
Deino
As far as i can understand the source is from MiG, the picture itsel fhas been posted on the paralay’s forum 🙂
Hmmm … ??? …. strange that MiG unveils a glimpse of its own concept, when all say MiG’s project even for a smaller fighter (JSFsky) are long dead.
Can You give me the link to that forum please ?
Deino
….. According to the source, ….
Any clue what’s that source ???
Deino