By the way … are there any info about the remains of the T-60 ??

If I remember correctly then there were reports that at least the prototype was already under construction.

Deino :confused:

Here is how the real star looks like..

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia—Air/Mil-Mi-8MTV-1/1415406/L/

Are You sure ??? In the German FlugzeugForum a member said this is “onla” the star of the border-troops, which was changed some time ago !

Deino :confused:

Be happy, folks ….. !
My credit card was charged for Euros 28.00 ….. so ….. IAPR 25 is arriving ….. 🙂

Hey … good news !!

Any idea how long it normally takes after charging to delivery ???

Cheers, Deino

Hmmm … I was spinning my mind a bit since that comparison to the way China has to go and in which position now both industries are and esp. the last comments led me to the point where I think there’s also another point:

Several Chinese projects – at least if succesful (and that were not many) – finally faile dbecause of changes to the original requirement. The design team was forced to re-design it to cope for higher performances only to be replaced again after the redesign. The J-9 is maybe the best example for that (even if it finally didn’t even flew), it had a good chance of success if at any point the Military Commission would have accepted at least lower performances … another example are the JJ-1 trainer, which failed because the 3-divided training syllabus was replaced by the 2-part one and also the bantam-fighter J-12, which was better performing than the J-6 … but was again canceled after the military demanded more.

I’m not exactly aware of the original performance requirements and when they were changed to what ?! – Sorry ! – but currently I have the bad feeling that if it was only procured as a replacement for the MiG-21 as planned in 1983, a LCA could have been in service already with the F404, standard available avionics and so on …. :confused:

Just my 2 cents,
Deino

May be, just may be if India was isolated off the arms market like China was, may be we would a had sever indigenous fighters by now.

Hmmm … ??? That seems a good argument !

Maybe India – as it could always choose on the free market – has now to pay the price China had to pay several decades before … I’m not completely familiar with the Marut and esp. the attempts to develop a much improved version – aka HF-73 – … if I’m correct there was also – besides the twin RB.199 powered HF-73 – a single engined version under study with the Atar, the M.53 and even a Russian engine … and in the end the Jaguar was bought.

In all very similar to the line of fighter projects in China from J-11, J-12, J-13 and esp. the J-9 … which all failed by several reasons but China had to try again – this time with the J-10 – as no other possibilities were available.

If China would have allowed to buy the Mirage 2000, the Harrier and or Tornado as rumored before the Tiananmen … the would probably still manufacture military aircrafts only under license … in the same way India does as it was allowed to do so.

Deino