Why do I once again have that strange feeling that a Fan-boy of some certain kind do not want accept the facts !
I thin both other answers clearly explained You the reasons … if You do not want to accept this, then just leave it.
By the way in a very reliably North Korean forum I read that one of these 4 victories was against a nearly blind pilot and the other two against pilots older than 42, so these are “unfair” engagements too, since You do not fight against handicapped people … as such by Your own logic, the F-15 won overall only one engagement and this one surely just by chance and luck! :stupid:
Deino
Interesting shot !
So this must be the first one with full or most of the mission avionics? (especially radar). Maybe this is why we haven’t seen clear pics so far… What do you make of the rumours about 1 more (2014) preparing for it’s first flight and 3 more joining testing next year Deino?:)
To admit I’ve herad them too and even if surely exciting I would be careful to expect too much too soon. Overall it fits nicely that These birds are build in 2-aircraft blocks so making ‘2011 & 2012’ one block and ‘2013 & 2014’ from the second pre-production block, as such I think indeed that there already is another prototype. However if You look at the results for this year:
2011 in March 2014
2012 in July 2014 (+ 4 months)
2013 in Nov 2014 (+ 4 months again !) … so I would expect to see ‘2014’ flying by March !
Deino
pitot tube gone?
Yes … seems to be the same step as from ‘2002’ after its modifications.
‘2013’ !!!! :p
‘2013’ … no. 5. prototype is flying !
Reportedly J-20 ‘2013’ is in the air right now !
I’m talking in the first picture. From bottom up it looks J-20, J-10, J-10, something J-10 like but 50% smaller.
I think this is simply due to the perspective effect (I hope I know what I mean) … the closer You zoom in a GE-image, the more the further-away items get a bit disorted due to perspective. If You move Your position exactly vertical above the object, it’s again a standard J-10.
I’m talking in the first picture. From bottom up it looks J-20, J-10, J-10, something J-10 like but 50% smaller.
I think this is simply due to the perspective effect (I hope I know what I mean) … the closer You zoom in a GE-image, the more the further-away items get a bit disorted due to perspective. If You move Your position exactly vertical above the object, it’s again a standard J-10.
But for some reason it looks like delta canard. JL-8 is a conventional monoplane.
You mean the one on the extreme top right !? … these are J-10 too !
If You move a bit further north, the there are again several J-10 and the only thing I don’t know is a smaller “conventional” plane left to the WingLoon / Ptero UAV
The Chinese do the best they can with the materials they manage to obtain. Purloined materials play a big part in Chinese aircraft design. Lets just say that the J-31 was ‘inspired’ by the F-35.
I think that is undeniable ! … and also ‘inspired’ by the F-22. However it is surely common use to study its potential adversaries to analyse their strong- and weak-points and then to develop something that again is limited or by the own technical capabilities, the own budget, and maybe even slightly different own operational requirements.
As such I’m strongly against this term “copy” in the meaning of a true Xerox-copy (that was mentioned here), since this is simply not possible regardless how many terabytes they might have managed to obtain. If aircraft development would be so easy … all much more types would look “the same” in the meaning of “copies” !
Deino
What’s the small plane towards the top of the picture. Much smaller than the other two.
I think these are JL-8 trainers, which are acting at CAC as chase planes.
Maybe ‘2013’ was spotted at CAC via Google Earth.
If the mentioned date on that image (11.11.14) is correct and we assume that indeed all other prototypes are at Yanliang, then it is a new bird !
Photo was taken at Misawa AB, Aomori Prefecture, on 2009/10/18.
Already that old ! If I remember correctly I only have two images of that pod (on operational F-2s) altogether.
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EDIT2; Moar sause. So apparently they have made:
30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39
50, 51, 52, 53So 14 borts in total already, not bad. Which makes sense, as they have to deliver the last 10 next year.
From: http://forums.airforce.ru/sovremennost/112-morskaya-aviaciya-87/#post115374
Thanks for this update !
But is there a reason why they carry different colour schemes ? As far as I understand – but please correct me if I’m wrong – they all will be assigned to the same unit !? … a bit strange it seems ?
Deino