When did you begin to determine what thread is deserving of attention and what is not? Do you really need to derail all my threads with ad hominem attacks at other users? If you dont like the discussion just do not take part in them!
Dear Bayar, the problem is not that we don’t like the discussion, but merely that fact what you are presenting, the way you present these information and most of all that – I would say with a lot of nationalistic fewer included – a normal decent discussion is simply not possible:
You are a presenting completely illusion plans, projects a country like the USA, Russia and China or multinational projects by the EU can barely manage with their budget and their vast expertise and experience and you even more present timelines and a budget, no one with the slightest sense of logic and understanding in aerospace matters would rate possible.
You are presenting lists of projects ranging from stealth fighters, trainers, transports, helicopters, AUVS, UCAVs and carriers that even the biggest aerospace countries have issues to manage and finance and you are presenting them as it would be some sort of plug-and-play.
One has to remember – and that’s not to diminish any Turkish achievements – but a fact: so far Turkey has not developed and fielded any significant major project on their own, none: No combat aircraft, no transport, no helicopter , … in fact NOTHING. All TAI so far has done was participating in local co-production and / or license manufacturing.
So I beg you to stay realistic and accept that there are not few who remain most skeptical on what will ever happen.
These projects – in fact – NONE could be taken seriously.
Even more you are oversimplifying the political background: the current path president Erdogan follows is most likely wrong, this playing one side against the other with the UE, USA and Russia will never ever ease the situation and make such projects even more unlikely to come to fruition. And that’s my third point of concern …
The Soviets were doing this a long time ago. Small STOVL carriers seems to be the trend these days. UK, Japan and now Turkey wants to do it this way.
This was once a time … and is long out … no nation follows the trend of small carriers with small useless VSTOL aircraft like the Yak-38 and -41. And to compare the ambitions by the UK and Japan to field the F-35B with the Yak-38 shows even more how far you off.
Sorry to say so, but to be taken seriously in such a forum – both as a poster and a nation in the fields of aerospace – one has to earn respect and can only be measured by the results, not by endless lists of phantasy projects and fancy PR-CGs.
Deino
Just wait for this to happen….
China should inquire about the Pak Fa.
I would suggest the other way around. The J-20 at least is already in service :dev2:
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if the J-11D is an improved clone of the MKK, why did they do away with the square tipped fins?
Pardon, the J-16 … but surely not the J-11D.
Can you guys help out here? I need a turn radius and a bank angle for this shot. My rough calcs say between 200 and 274 meters, bank angle is around 80 degrees. This implies a turn rate of 40+ degrees at mach .25.
Oh come on Inst … no need to trash this forum too after SDF and CDF!
give it a rest !
To extract from a cut & pasted gif you never can deduct any useful information esp. on turn-radius, g-force or whatever. We don’t know how many frames/images are missing, if the time of the gif equals the real-time even or if it is different; it not even has a smooth movement…
Come on … it’s just as impossible as trying to deduct from a single grainy image that the J-20 is flying already with a +210 kN WS-15 as some eye-balling-experts try to tell.
Deino
…this site seems to think its no su-35
Like I said IMO both the Su-30SM and Su-35 still have an edge over the J-16 & J-11D, but believing anything related to China from this site is as stupid as believing the German “Bild” on international politics & economics.
J-16 and Su-35…… well at least in a dogfight the Su-35 would probably run circles around the J-16. BVR is another story
I think some are again playing Quartett instead of making a reasonable comparison: the Su-35 is most of all a heavily revised fighter variant of the Flanker family whereas the J-16 – since based on the Su-30MKK – was developed in order to field an indigenously manufactured striker variant.
IMO one should compare the J-16 with the Su-30SM or MKI and the Su-35 with the J-11D … and for both Russia might still have an edge….. but that gap is getting narrower.
Deino
Z-18A or better to say officially Z-8G entered PLA Army Aviation service …
Z-18A – or better to say officially Z-8G – finally entered service.
The AF of Bangladesh lost two of its Yak-130 (allegedly 15103 & 15105) after a mid-air collision.
Thanks … point is as I just learned that in Spain this day is comparable to April 1st. 😮
This is a photoshop FAKE???
Honestly why ? why is this controversial ? who would lie ? what for >? I don’t get it…
If Tass doesn’t have the authority , nobody does.
1992: ITAR-TASS
In January 1992, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, a Presidential Decree signed by Boris Yeltsin re-defined status of TASS and renamed it the Information Telegraph Agency of Russia. In May 1994 The Russian Government adopted a resolution “On approval of the Charter of the Information Telegraph Agency of Russia”, under which it operates as a central government news agency
First of all it wouldn’t be the first time TASS is wrong and second since it contradicts the facts: we know three deliveries of now most likely 14 Su-35 altogether.
Period.
Deino
MOSCOW, December 22. /TASS/. Russia has sent the second batch of 10 Su-35 fighter jets (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E) to China under a contract signed back in 2015, a source familiar with Russia’s military and technical cooperation with foreign states told TASS on Friday.
“Another batch of 10 aircraft has been sent to the customer. China will receive the remaining 10 aircraft in 2018,” the source said.
The Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation has declined to comment on the report.
Honestly I don’t know how reliable this report is and IMO it is wrong since we know that the first shipment was 25. December 2016 (four aircraft), the second one on 29. June (also at least four, maybe five) and already the third one on 1. December (five aircraft).
There are images known of all shipments.