The only thing that will carry a Rafale into the 30/40’s is a flatbed trailer on the way to a museum 🙂
F-35 Fast Facts for Dec 11th, 2012
http://f-35.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/F-35-Fast-Facts-December-11-2012.pdf
Previously unreported Tidbits:
— On November 3, CF-2 flew an HMD Jitter FTR mission completing first pilot evaluation.
— On November 14, during setup for a 45,000 ft test point, AF-4 flew to 50,000 ft, the design altitude limit. This is the first time F-35 has flown to 50K.
— On November 30, BF-1 accomplished the longest duration F-35 hover at 10 minutes.
— On December 3, BF-1 accomplished its 200th vertical landing at PAX and completed maximum weight hover, vertical landing and 90 degree translation on December 6.
— On December 6, BF-4 flew the first STOVL mode night ops, including night hover.
History of US aid to NK
Seriously? NK is run by a bunch of lunatics that would rather starve their people in order to appear strong.
I am not sure what kind of controls are in place, but I would not put it past the crazy nut-bag in charge to push the button on his deathbed and there not be any kind of override.
It’s because NK is wacky enough to use it offensively and not just for satellites.
I am sure there is some level of recompilation between blocks.
Ont eh hardware issue., the F-35 uses a sort of “middleware” that that allows the core software to behave with different hardware between blocks. This would obviously need updating anytime there are hardware changes.
The beauty of the F-35’s CPU architecture is that the code is not directly bound to the CPU type. As newer processors come online, the CPU cards can be upgraded without a large change in the code.
This has already been done once in the program when they went from 4 single chip GP modules to two quad chip GP modules (Tech Refresh1 – TR1) without changing the block software.
I wonder what is in store for TR2 (Block2) or TR3 (Block4)?

Potatoman -in what sense does this aircraft “meet the requirement”?
We were discussing range.
Originally Posted by djcross
F-35’s combat radius is far short of USAF and USN desires.An excellent reason not to spend a trillion dollars on the program.
If it meets the requirement then what is the problem?
who says it’s radar guided
That was the caption that accompanied the model in the original photo.
AMRAAM-class radar guided dogfight missile
It’s not about “don’t have / can’t dogfight”, it’s about first-shot / first-kill. Besides, with HTK this thing might be capable of anti-AAM.
A few things to keep in mind.
1. The CUDA is not only lacking a warhead, but also a proximity fuze.
2. Since the CUDA is in its early concept phase, its electronics will be build using tomorrow’s electronics. For a little perspective, the AIM-120C3 is almost 20 years old. What did computers look like in the early 1990’s?
3. With advances in datalinks and GPS the active seeker does not have to be as large.
4. Focus on newer propellents is aimed at faster missiles so flight times are shorter
5. Battery tech is much better allowing for a smaller battery with the same power.
6. With a smaller seeker, lack of proximity fuze, better battery tech, and shorter flight times, the battery is much smaller than on AMRAAM.
This all boils down to a missile that has a larger motor to case ratio than even AMRAAM.
Here is a measured CUDA that I found (based on a SDB sized case).

I ran some numbers on the CUDA and here are results.
I pulled these motor number directly from ATK and they include the blast tube (links below). I pulled the overall length from Raytheon (links below) and it’s in inches.
Missile Length Motor Ratio Ratio with Thruster Section<br />
AMRAAM 144 74.4 51.67%<br />
9x 119 78 65.55%<br />
CUDA 70.8 46.25 65.32% 82.27%<br />
9x info:
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms01_054518.pdf
http://www.atk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MP-Sidewinder-AIM-9X-Propulsion.pdf
AMRAAM info:
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-120.html
http://www.atk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MP-AMRAAM-Propulsion.pdf
Even without counting the 12 inch mystery section as part of the motor(yes I think they are maneuver thrusters ala PAC-3, another LM HTK missile), the CUDA beats the AMRAAM ratio and ties the 9x.
Takeaway: Motor ratio is not the only determining factor in range as the 9x does not come close to the AMRAAM’s range despite having a larger motor (in percentage and actual length).
—On the weight issue—
As far as weight goes, no way CUDA is in the ~250 class. SDB weighs 250 due to a thick & hard steel case needed for penetration.
Given that an AMRAAM is twice as long as CUDA (144″ vs 71″), is a fatter missile (7″ vs “6), and has a warhead…. I would postulate that CUDA weighs in the 125-150lb range given AMRAAM’s 345lb.
Here is the math
All Measurements in inches<br />
Missile Length Width Volume Surface<br />
AMRAAM 144 7 5540 3170<br />
CUDA 71 6 2010 1340<br />
So, the CUDA has 36.3% of the volume and 42.3% of the surface area of an AMRAAM. Surface area is important because it’s the weight of the missile’s body.
How is the DoD’s decision to go from a 110 per year plan to a 80 per year plan? This loss of Economy of Scale had a huge affect on the annual price of the F-35A.
This is just one example of how the DoD directly effected the price of the F-35 negatively.
Can we please keep this a “News Only” thread and put all comparisons & debate in the appropriate thread?
Embedded including in the “classified” aspects of the programme? These “partner nations” have access to ALL the F-35 data right? You know they don’t. The fact that they are “embedded” does not mean they’re being shown everything.
While they don’t need to have access to some of the “classified” parts, they certainly are not limited to the levels of information like you stated when you said
All these potential F-35 buyers are allowed to see only what LM and the US government wants them to see. Which is the bestest and the goodest possible graphs and statistics etc.
All these potential F-35 buyers are allowed to see only what LM and the US government wants them to see. Which is the bestest and the goodest possible graphs and statistics etc.
Partner nations get over 20,000 pages of F-35 data per month. They have people embedded in all levels of the program from developers, testers, maintainers, pilots, etc.